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July 19, 2015


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The world proves very much the opposite

S/HE who can give
the sweet Sound above the eyes is the Guru.


"""" guru" claims to know about the cosmos is actually true, and/or that the guru can do what he or she claims, supernaturally speaking. ""

This is the opposite also

Many Gurus know nothing more than what their own Master is giving Them on a need to know basis

Also and ALWAYS are the first , the Last


They claim greatly about their Master and nothing about themselves

They claim greatly about their Master and nothing about themselves...

the same way they encourage their disciples as well to make the same claims.

"... the only authority a guru, master, or other religious personage has flows from the devotees who choose to elevate that person to a position of spiritual leadership.

Otherwise, where could any authority come from?"

c'mon Brian, you're grasping at straws here, you know very well that each Sant Mat guru takes their authority from their predecessor.

You spent more time with Charan than most of us westerners and surely you remember his humility, he never claimed any kind of spiritual power. Yes, the devotees put him on a pedestal but thats their problem. He never wanted to be worshipped. Remember Charan Singh - The Way of Surrender.


Charan Singh and the Way of Surrender (The Enchanted Land Series / Film 5) (7:15)


Jen, that's my point. There was no evidence, no proof, no objective reason to believe that Charan Singh was "god in human form." The guru's devotees believed this on their own. They were the ones who gave the guru his spiritual authority.

Sure, he was appointed by his predecessor. But the same applies to the entire lineage of a succession of gurus. There is no reason for anyone to grant them spiritual authority. They don't take a god-realization exam, like a medical student takes before qualifying to become a physician.

It is all belief. It is all assumptions. If a guru's devotees stopped giving him or her spiritual authority, the guru would have nothing to make him or her a guru.

Brian, . . anyone else you would have preferred ??

Take your time


777, I don't understand your question. If you mean, preferred a different guru, that doesn't make any sense. It's like asking if I would have preferred a different woman than my first wife. But I married her, not anyone else. How do I know what it would have been like to have married someone else?

Brian, yes it is assumptions and belief and I would add projection and perhaps recognition.

Do we see in the Master a glimpse of who and what we really are, or who we want to be? Is he purely an example, a guide to what we can become? Are we attracted by his humility, kindness, patience, compassion and then those very attributes grow within us. So many questions I ask myself as to why I was attracted to this path of Sant Mat.

Then comes the battle with the mind which does not like discipline, adhering to the rules etc, its not easy. And so many doubts (and annoying religious type satsangis to contend with lol).

So becoming a recluse, observing the world and thinking that its getting more crazy, I find the best way to be is 'unknowing' and letting go, especially where beliefs are concerned. This is what I have in common with you and I appreciate your blog. Your walks in nature with the dog and moments of enlightenment :)

very close :



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