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July 18, 2014


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Woaw! Talk about a healthy dose of blog catharsis... right on Dude!

"Believing" in golf, rap, and eating meat seems rather absurd since these are activities that do exist in our reality(ies)- objective reality, hence making it possible to also exist in our subjective reality (when we fantasize about 'hitting a hole in one', with the models featured in 50 cent's latest mvs cheering on, and then hosting a barbecue after).
However, 'believing in God' does seem to make a tad bit more sense...


Under the Supreme Court ruling corporations/businesses are still going to have to provide 16 of the 20 birth control drugs that are available. The other 4 drugs in question terminate an already fertilized egg...in other words, abortion drugs. Those are the drugs under the Supreme Court ruling that certain private companies will not have to provide due to their religious beliefs.

It seems reasonable to me that those who believe in abortion should allow those who do not believe in abortion to do so especially in a privately run company.

That abortion is OK is a belief.
That abortion is not OK is also a belief.

If someone does not like a private company's policies based on religious beliefs they can work somewhere else.

tucson, those four drugs don't cause an abortion. Medical experts have said that Hobby Lobby and the Supreme Court are wrong about this.

Unfortunately, the Court went along with the notion that I criticize here: a deeply held religious belief is what counts, not whether the belief is true. This is ridiculous. Laws are meant to apply to everybody, regardless of someone's beliefs.

Brian, I'm not one for doing much research and homework which probably explains why my formal education ended in the tenth grade, a badge of honor I cherish deeply. Having a surfing beach and beach babes only a mile from one of my high schools didn't help either because I often turned left towards the beach as if drawn by a magnet instead of going straight into the school.

Anyway, I girded up my loins and did a little search enginning and found articles stating that the four drugs in question, Plan B, Ella, ParaGard (copper IUD) and Mirena are all considered by at least some doctors/ObGyns/researchers to be abortifacients (they induce abortions), especially Plan B and Ella.

So, the opinion stated by the doctor in the article you presented is just that, an opinion among differing opinions.

Although the data is not conclusive, it appears there is enough evidence to lead medical professionals as well as the Hobby Lobby folks to reasonably consider them to be abortion drugs.

So, should Hobby Lobby be forced to provide abortion drugs to their employees if they don't want to? I don't think so.

I agree with you that laws should not be based on religious beliefs but rather secular ethical and practical considerations. Hobby Lobby could just say they think abortion is wrong and don't want to support it and leave it at that.

it appears there is enough evidence to lead medical professionals as well as the Hobby Lobby folks to reasonably consider them to be abortion drugs.

If this is what you got from the article, you don't know how to read. Not only is there no mention of "some doctors" who believe these drugs cause abortions, but it quotes a statement from The American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists saying that the drugs are "contraceptives, not aboritfacients". They do not cause abortions.

What makes this Supreme Court decision such an awful one is that it gives greater value to the ignorant opinion, i.e., the belief that these drugs cause abortions than it gives to scientific fact.

I think that the Supreme Court's decision was the fairest way to placate the most cry babies.

When life begins is simply conjecture, whether it is informed scientific consensus or dearly held belief. Because it really doesn't matter. At all.

Pregnancy occurs when a fertilized egg gets implanted in the uterine wall. This is the scientific consensus opinion (sic). Ergo - any process or agent employed to prevent implantation of a fertilized egg is a contraceptive. No definable process has begun to occur.

Religious people are of the opinion that the definable process of pregnancy occurs when the egg becomes fertilized, and that, therefore, an abortion has occurred; abortion being the forced cessation of a process that has known consequences.

Women who use birth control do not want to become pregnant. You probably will not get much of an argument from chemists who formulate "contraceptives" that the main goal of chemical contraception is prevention of implantation of a fertilized egg in the uterine wall. Why dick around trying to prevent a vast army of spermatozoa from reaching an egg when preventing the egg from becoming implanted is much easier, especially on the woman's physiology?

So - our wise Supreme Court justices capitulated somewhat to the religious cry babies who can't tolerate the notion that a woman can achieve near-100 percent surety that she will not get pregnant in spite of the fact that she likes to fuck.



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