There isn't any inherent conflict between scientific facts and religious beliefs. The natural and the supernatural can be viewed as inhabiting different realms, with different laws.
Such was the view of leading scientists during the Enlightenment. There was this notion of The Book of Nature, where nature was viewed as the word of God. Learning about how the world works thus was akin to knowing the mind of God.
But nowadays many religious believers put their credence in what a Holy Book says rather than what nature says. Fundamentalist Christians in the United States deny evolution and global warming despite overwhelming evidence of their reality.
Last night my wife and I watched the first episode of a documentary series on Showtime, "Years of Living Dangerously." We were much impressed. Great cinematography, engaging script, excellent actors (Harrison Ford and Don Cheadle are featured), compelling "plot" lines.
The first episdode, and I assume others, can be viewed online if you don't have Showtime.
The most interesting person interviewed was a climate scientist at Texas Tech, Katharine Hayhoe. Not surprisingly she whole-heartedly embraces the scientific consensus about global warming: It is happening; It is causing big problems for life on Earth, including humans; We need to do something about it, now!
Hayhoe, though, is an evangelical Christian. This was surprising. And, fortunate.
Because Hayhoe has become a valuable bridge between fundamentalist Christians who don't think there is anything to worry about because God has the Earth's climate, along with everything else I guess, under control.
One focus of the first episode was a smallish town in Texas where drought has forced the closing of the biggest employer, a meat packing plant. Residents were shown walking around the closed plant praying for rain so grass could grow, cattle could eat it, and the plant could reopen.
Sure, that's crazy. But people believe all sorts of crazy things. I did for a long time. It isn't easy to talk them out of such deeply-held values.
In "Meet the Surprising Star of Showtime's New Climate Change Series," Hayhoe's two-year quest to convince her evangelical preacher husband, Andrew Farley, that human-caused global warming is real.
Farley and Hayhoe found themselves at an impasse. They both respected the other person, not only as researchers and academics, but as people who shared the same deep faith. If those things were true, then they had to talk about it. Eventually, Farley came around, but it wasn’t easy. “We are both first borns who love to argue and will not back down,” Hayhoe said. In all, Hayhoe guesses Farley, her first climate change convert, took about two years to convince — though she notes “it wasn’t like we talked about this every day.”
“A lot of my political opinions are Republican,” Farley tells Cheadle from the couple’s kitchen table. “The politics, the questions about God, and then the climate change — it’s all just become this ball of sound bites and people can’t parse it out.”
The tipping point for Farley? When the two went to the NASA website, downloaded global temperature data, and plotted it on their own computer. “It was clearly going up,” Hayhoe said, so “he had to decide, was NASA, the organization that put people on the moon, involved in some worldwide massive hoax or were they telling the truth?”
Having succeeded in converting her husband to scientific facts, they have teamed up to preach the gospel of science to other devoted Christians.
The inroads Hayhoe has been able to make with conservative religious communities focuses around one fundamental guiding belief: the key to bridging what has become such a divisive, heated issue is not hoping to present people with enough information that they adopt new values. “As Christians, we already have all of the values we need to care about climate change,” she said. And when climate change is presented in terms of its impacts on people, impacts that will disproportionately affect the world’s poor, then the path for engaging Christians is clear.
The Showtime episode showed how skilled Hayhoe is at communicating with those who share her Christian values. I don't consider that humans have free will, and I certainly don't believe in Christianity (or any other religion), but Hayhoe uses these beliefs in making the theological case for accepting the reality of global warming.
God gave us the freedom to choose, she says.
Humans have chosen to dramatically increase the level of carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gases by burning "fossil fuels." Now it is up to us to choose a different path -- reducing our emissions of those gases in order to keep Earth livable.
I'd prefer that people embace scientific facts directly. But since many religious believers need coaxing through someone who speaks their own value system, I'm glad Katharine Hayhoe has taken on that job.
"Humans have chosen to dramatically increase the level of carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gases by burning "fossil fuels." Now it is up to us to choose a different path -- reducing our emissions of those gases in order to keep Earth livable."
-- If I understand the man-made global warming theory correctly, even if human greenhouse gas producing activity came to a screeching halt right now, it is too late. The change has been set in motion.
How do you get billions of people to stop consuming manufactured products, shut down vast economic systems, turn off the lights and go back to a pre-industrial era lifestyle? Even environmentally conscious people keep buying stuff to fill their houses with, use electricity, drive cars, etc., and there are just as many whose livelihood depends on this consumption. There are too many people living this way and they will not be stopped.
Posted by: tucson | April 16, 2014 at 11:05 AM
There are too many people living this way and they will not be stopped.
Perhaps, but if you're sober enough to realize you're surrounded by drunks, what do you do?
Posted by: cc | April 16, 2014 at 05:06 PM
Perhaps, but if you're sober enough to realize you're surrounded by drunks, what do you do?
--Personally speaking, I am one of the drunks. Not quite shit-faced but a little tipsy. If sober, I would either surrender or get the hell out, but in this case there is nowhere to run.
Hey, they can try to save the world. I'll cooperate. If they give up their stuff, I'll give up my stuff. I don't see many people giving up their stuff though.
Posted by: tucson | April 16, 2014 at 11:26 PM
If they give up their stuff, I'll give up my stuff. I don't see many people giving up their stuff though.
How many do you have to see? Isn't one person who trades his car for a bicycle, gets off the grid, or grows his own food, enough?
Posted by: cc | April 17, 2014 at 08:53 AM
Yes, an avalanche begins with a little snowball. But no, one person is not enough because people will not give up their modern conveniences en masse unless forced to. There will always be intrepid idealists and dreamers but there aren't enough of them to stem the tide. What we need are about 6 billion fewer consumers. How about a plague or eruption of the Yellowstone super volcano? I know, a giant asteroid!!
The problem is that production of bicycles produces greenhouse gases because it takes energy to make them and their components of steel, aluminum, plastic, paint, rubber, etc. And the energy, tools and raw materials to make the tools that make the bikes. And the energy, tools and raw materials to get the energy, tools and raw materials for the tools that make the bikes.
If you get off the grid, you will probably have solar panels which are very energy and resource intensive to produce. Even if you are fortunate enough to have a year-round creek to run a generator to charge your storage batteries, all that takes energy and raw materials to produce. Then the batteries and even the solar panels and generator eventually wear out and have to be replaced. Not to mention mining the copper for the wires.
All this stuff we have contributes to the problem. Look around you. Tables, chairs, printers, computers, fax machines, books, door knobs, paint, lamps, pens, car keys, furniture hardware, surge protectors, paper, cell phones, cell phone chargers, waste baskets, document shredders, rugs, radios, modems, file cabinets, windows, blinds, shelves, pictures, picture frames. Then we move into the kitchen and all hell breaks loose. I won't even mention all the stuff in the other rooms and in the garage.
Then what about your occupation? In my case I make knives. I have a shop with a forge, grinder, sander, buffer, anvil and a multitude of tools, supplies, accessories, steel, wood, brass, chemicals, leather, dye, respirator, gloves, exhaust fan. And then there are the knives themselves which one day will wear out or get lost and need to be replaced by someone who has all the crap I have.
..and on and on multiplied by billions of people. Some with a little less, some with a little more. How do you put an end to all this? Signals at intersections, roads, signs, buildings, houses, jewelry, mail boxes, clothes, drugs, escalators and elevators, benches, drills, vaccuums ad infinitum.
It's not going to stop. A Kyoto treaty? Ha!
Posted by: tucson | April 17, 2014 at 10:29 AM
It's not going to stop. A Kyoto treaty? Ha!
By this logic, we should regard all the warning as futile, if not amusing, because (as you see it) there's nothing to be done. As you see it, we can't help but degrade our environment until it can no longer support our species, not to mention others.
"I make knives", you say. Well, you've made your point and taken a stab at eviscerating all hope, but you're too much of a blunt instrument to be taken seriously.
Posted by: cc | April 17, 2014 at 04:54 PM
Let me hone the conversation further then.
You cut to the quick when you wrote "we can't help but degrade our environment". Everybody wants a slice of the pie.
The environment was in trouble as soon as humans left the stone age. It is interesting that ancient indigenous people lived for many millennia with limited environmental impact. All they left were a few arrowheads and the like. It is almost as if they knew that once they became too clever it would be their undoing. I doubt modern humans are generally more fulfilled and satisfied with their lives (probably less so) than the ancient ones despite all the technological advances.
Posted by: tucson | April 18, 2014 at 12:34 AM
Tucson my good friend,
I'd very much like to speak with you by phone sometime fairly soon - whenever its convenient for you. I've got some tings that I like to talk to you about. I'm not sure that I have your current email address, so please just send a brief email to mine, and I will reply back with my home phone number. Better yet, send me your home phone number (or cell) too, and I will call you for free via the phone app on my wife's gmail. Tnanks.
[ Brian, please feel free to un-publish this comment after a few days time. Thanks. ]
Posted by: tAo | April 18, 2014 at 02:12 AM
As for me - I will not voluntarily reduce my carbon footprint - even if it means the end of human life on the planet.
Yes - I am THAT selfish.
Posted by: Willie R | April 18, 2014 at 11:01 AM
The environment was in trouble as soon as humans left the stone age.
Yes, but unlike the stone age, our technology enables us to measure and ascertain the trouble we're in and where we're headed if we don't change course. You and others, tucson, insist that we can't change course, and I wonder why? What's your objection to adapting?
Posted by: cc | April 18, 2014 at 05:53 PM
cc, Without the technology there would be no trouble to adapt to. I have no objection to adapting. I just don't see it happening on a worldwide scale until humanity is forced to by conditions more obviously dire than they are now. No doubt when that time comes some humans will adapt and survive like cockroaches always seem to do.
Actually, I do some environmental/sustainable types of things, but it is a personal ethical preference like not stealing when I easily could do so. Like, I could just let the dish water go down the drain, but I save it to water the plants instead of using tap water. Big hero. I know.
Hey tAo, I sent you an email to an address I have reached you with before.
Posted by: tucson | April 19, 2014 at 12:36 AM
Dear tAo and tucson feel free to contact me too tAo i miss you.
How is weightlifting?
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Posted by: moongoes | April 19, 2014 at 01:36 AM