Here's David Lane's great response to some highly judgmental (and theologically questionable) rants by a Sant Mat follower on a recent blog post.
I say "theologically questionable" because Sant Mat teachings, Radha Soami Satsang Beas variety, at least, say that every disciple/initiate, wayward or not, will return to God within four lifetimes under the guidance of the perfect living guru, a.k.a. "God in human form."
So I'm saved! Doubly saved, since I was baptized Catholic. Doesn't that get me entry to purgatory, at minimum? (I'm vague about the details of Catholic dogma; never got confirmed, thank God.)
David writes on the Yahoo Radha Soami Studies discussion group that he administers:
Recently over on Brian Hines' blog (the church of the churchless):
A poster, who I assume is a satsangi (given the content), is miffed at Brian (and me) for his various critiques of Radhasoami, etc.
What I found both intriguing and amusing was this particular rejoinder by the poster who goes by the name of Cam,
"As far as this blog owner and David lane, at least they will live out the rest of their lives somewhat satisfied because their egos got stroked. But come the day of their deaths they are going to be very unhappy campers (and that is an understatement) as the Masters have also clearly described what awaits those who take vows before God and then not only dishonor them, but mock Him besides (and that is exactly what they both have done - extensively)."
So, in an inverse of Bill Murray's classic take on what the Dalai Lama was going to give him [full consciousness at death] for being his caddy (see Caddyshack), apparently Brian and I will being given the wrath of god treatment since the infinite being just doesn't like bloggers who mock......
And as Bill would say, "I got that going for me.... which is nice."
Of course, Cam's rhetoric reminds me of what one priest once told me when I had doubts about Catholicism.
Different religions, same curses.
With kudos to Hines for publishing Cam's invective.
Part of my discernment in leaving Catholicism was that: if God is, then everyone is equal regardless of religious status. i heard a priest on the radio claim he was ontologically different than everyone else because of his ordination. Really? I never went near a priest again.
Posted by: Ultra Monk | February 24, 2012 at 02:27 PM
Ultra Monk,
He's one dude. Check out Thomas Merton, Richard Rohr, or Thomas Keating - I doubt they would agree with the priest you referred too - although others certainly may. It's probably a very mixed bag.
Posted by: Bob | February 24, 2012 at 06:19 PM
I have read: Thomas Merton, Richard Rohr, or Thomas Keating
They definitely think priests are something special.
Posted by: Ultra Monk | February 25, 2012 at 12:43 PM
what I am realizing is that sant mat is no different from any other organised religion.
Let me take the example of Islam. Right now I have a bunch of friends ('believers') who are trying to convince me to accept Islam and be 'saved'. As long as I pray five times a day and live up tp their moral code - Allah will save me. Sounds just like sant mat. Just replace prayer with meditation.
And the believers are so concerned about saving you. Sant mat claims to be a science. In fact the haynes park centre is now called 'science of the soul' according to the sign outside. Islam does the same - it says that science is just beginning to discover what the koran has written
many years ago. They cite this as proof that it is the word of god.
Posted by: osho robbins | February 26, 2012 at 05:29 AM
So true ..I love asserting to my various RSSB pals, when they lack moral maturity,good sense or fail to understand or accept the simplest of psychological /philosophical thought ...that they are clearly first lifers and perhaps in the next 2-3-4 life they might get it...lol
Posted by: Dogribb | February 26, 2012 at 07:57 AM