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Here's the controversy about Gurinder Singh Dhillon. He has used his position and influence to make himself and his sons a large fortune. This would not have happened if he was not head of RSSB.
His predecessor Charan Singh was the total opposite. He would not even aqgree to appear in public beside a political leader - because followers would take that to mean that he supports that political party.

He did not get into ownership of property worldwide - nor did he focus on making himself lots of money.

Gurinder Singh Dhillon has a different focus. His primary interest is material wealth. He uses his position and influence to get rich.

He revels in his wealth and in his power over a weak sangat that follows his every word. He plays with the sangat and taunts them.

He's having fun at their expense. He laughs, jokes, changes the teachings, tells you to throw darts at a dart board to make decisions.

He teaches oneness - but at the same time continues with duality methods.

The guy is confused. He has heard of enlightenment - but he is very far from enlightenment.

And a confused leader will create a confused sangat.

Problem with the teachings is that the hypotheses that 'the guru is God' can not be falsified. I mean if you are critical and doubt it you are advised to do the experiment of meditation. But if this experiment produces no results than your karma is to be blamed. But the guru handles our karma so that puts the blame back on him again.
Didn't we do the experiment? Is there another way out of this conclusion that I don't see?

Good point about the avoidance of the media.
I have to add to my own point that the Radha Soami philosophy says that the guru has to slowly detach his disciple so if meditation does not work it might mean a slow detachment. This says something about the philosophy but nothing about the current guru of course.

How human beings can "believe" the abysmal bull s--- coming out of Gurinder and Beas-is beyond me-as I -like many others was suckered into a totally stupid philosophy based on the "WOW" factor-yeah-"WOW"-Gurinder is one of the best con gurus out there!!No paper trail is the way to go-and "fallacy"-is where it's at!!-V152

Hello Brian ... found your blog through revisiting your good book which resides in my library here in OZ ... am aged 65 of which 15 years initiated ... the bottom line is does Surat Shabd Yoga work ?... for me YES! because one does the meditation ... perhaps disgruntled ex Satsangi's are like poor workmen who blame the tools ? rather then focusing on their work attitude ... regardless they have another 3 lives to catch up on their homework, as their teacher won't let them fail ...
all best Inner Peace Love ...John B
(PS in the interest of BALANCE you can choose to, or not post the web address ... its a private NOT official site ... simply creating Spiritual AWARENESS in this materialistic world)

Hi all,

First of all, I wanted to ask, why would a saint be concerned with material wealth?? The true Saints like Saint Kabir, Guru Nanak, Guru Ravidass and such great saints were offered kingdoms and countless riches but no, they were just concerned on spreading the word and love of the almighty. They didn't concern themselves with property or shares.

Furthermore, GSD enjoys playing Antakshri with some of the sangat, usually when it is small, at haynes park. For those of you who don't know, Antakshri is a game consisting of singing contemporary songs and the next person to sing has to start their song with the last letter the previous person finished with. I didn't realise singing songs was a saintly thing to do. I wonder if the great saints like Guru Kabir, Guru Nanak, Guru Ravidass etc played Antakshri of their time too. Guru Kabir was a weaver by trade, and there were times when he had to put the thread in his mouth to wet it, so that it would go into the needle. It is written that he used to feel quilty for even doing that as that moment was not spent reciting the name of the lord. And yet here, we have GSD singing songs with the sangat, playing football, cracking jokes, it's a mockery!!

John B, you talk about Surat Shabad Yoga. Do you know who originated it? You say it works for you. How?? You talk about having another 3 lives to catch up on homework, but why would one want to comeback to do it in the first place??? Do you know the origins of the path you are following?

RS movement is a complete con and uses all the teachings by the great saints such as Kabir, Nanak and the ten gurus, manipulate what they want, use it for their path when simply all the RSSB sangat can go to their place of worship to hear the same message. Therefore principally they are a cult and use other religions to gain benefits of their own such as the purchases of haynes park. People donate money to this cult as part of seva. 99% of these RSSB so called satsangis havent got a clue what true seva is. Seva is serving the poor and giving to those in need selflessly just like Guru Nanak and Angad demonstrated. Serving the so called sevadars who come from such good home at haynes park is an abuse of the word.

GSD wears a turban and is a sikh. Yet what is the need to separate people from the path Guru Gobind Singh laid down? It is because of personal greed and wealth.

APR2005,
what you all said is just somewhere read,and 3rd hand knowledge,
what do you know personally about nanak dev,
and etc saints,
do you have any personal experience from any of the previous saints
like nanak,
and by the way what nanak did,
he also preached what all he gained from his guru,
and you say GSD wears a turban and is like anyother sikh,
so FYI,nanak dev and remaning all guru of guru nanak dev linage are all hindu,
its only last guru guru gobin singh ji started this 5k system and they are called sikhs from that time,
but all the gurus of guru grant sahib including guru nanak dev were hindu,then why you sikhs are so proud to be sikh and guru granth sahib,
and why you people treat guru granth sahib sa living guru,why then only after tenth guru the granth was termed as to be the guru,
why it has not happened with the 2nd line of guru,
why guru nanak dev the leader of guru granth sahib has not term granth as the living guru,
well dear first know the real truth and then come and comment about any other person or path,
did GSD or any rssb master has said bad about granth,they have always valued respected granth,they teach the real meaning hidden in the granth,which you guys cannot understand,because you do not hold that knowledge with in you.
and personal greed and wealth,you say,
did ever any rssb follower forced to or even asked you to pay money sewa anytime,
we are into this path from last 100 years.i till now havent heard that rssb force for money sewa or any kind of sewa.
it is completely once personal choice.thats all.
what all i see is,
rising a path called rssb..many people are not able to digest that fact..
and out of jealous just bashing the rs path.

and my dear sikh if at all by chance you are sikh,
you go gaga over granth sahib,
and busy eating meat and wine,
where as guru nanak dev was strictly aganist alcohol and meat,
but amartdhari are busy in chicken tikka and drinking back dog.
now first look into urself apr2005,
you all are abusing your own guru granth sahib by not following the way as guru nanak dev wanted.

tara,
just one question- why is there not single copy f kabir das ji bani or bijak in any gurudwara across the world.

MLA

Let me ask you one question. If you are hindu/sikh/muslim/christian why cant you go to your place of worship and learn what you need to learn about the path from the source itself? Why do you need to join a so called cult, WHICH USES ALL THE RELIGIOUS TEXTS which were laid down and uses them for its own benefit.

I see you are attacking why Guru Nanak didnt lay down the Granth Sahib as the eternal Guru? Well if you read your FACTS straight the adi granth was compiled by the 5th Nanak (Guru Arjun Dev Ji) and maybe through the eternal light did each sikh guru feel that it wasnt time to install the guru granth sahib until Guru Gobind Singh took the lineage.

This general, ignorant views you have about people eating chicken tikka etc is just a stupid generic comment which you like to think. If those who have taken the amritdhari path are doing this it is their SIN and they will pay for this.

Let me tell you one thing. Have a look at Religare accounts and see who is the main shareholder in wealth. Yes your so called fake guru and his sons are involved in pharmaceutical assests and where has their money come from? You sevadars who pump money into his haynes park and beas dera . All that money goes on his personal wealth. Have a look on google! Type his name and religare and you tell me if his motive is to guide you or to be establish his personal wealth.

My problem is you RSSB use other religions to try and mould it into your own path. How cheap is that. These great saints changed the world with their selfless actions yet you have your GSD investing seva money into his personal wealth.

SGGS should be read from its place of worship and that place of worship is not haynes park. Think about it MLA. Are you lot really different to scientology? There are similarities in every sense.

In regards to hindu, yes Guru Nanak was from a hindu family, and everyone at the time was born a hindu because hinduism is the oldest religion in the world.

GSD is a sikh. He follows the 5 K`s but no point following the 5 K`S when you are moulding the SGGS into your own ways and RSSB. I wonder what the real christians/hindus/muslims would think if they became more aware of how RSSB manipulates the teachings of the religions to their own personal and wealth benefit.

Dont generalise and answer questions directly. So please do answer my questions and use facts. You RSSB are so brainwashed and if ex-satsangis are now leaving more than ever based on the dis-functional teachings then perhaps you shopuld look at yourself also.

If you are so connected with RSSB why dont you ask your GSD to create his own marriage ceremony/prayers as you guys are hindus/sikh/muslim when you want all these religious occassions to happen but RSSB in your spirituality. HOW COMPLETELY ILLOGICAL AND SENSELESS IS THAT. Perhaps I should be hindu in the am, sikh in the pm and muslim whenever I am not hindu or sikh!

How brainwashed you lot are.

MLA

Read this and let me know what you think!! You are brainwashed my friend!

http://hinessight.blogs.com/church_of_the_churchless/2010/04/rssbs-ties-to-religare-mix-money-and-spirituality.html

MLA
“”Let me ask you one question. If you are hindu/sikh/muslim/christian why cant you go to your place of worship and learn what you need to learn about the path from the source itself? Why do you need to join a so called cult, WHICH USES ALL THE RELIGIOUS TEXTS which were laid down and uses them for its own benefit.””
Well my dear APR2005(very old version,as its 2011 running now,anyways)
First of all it is a cult for you,for your level of understanding but for me RS is not at all a cult under any way.
And all religion text are taken into RS,very right very true(atleast here your mind is working),but there is another truth,the deep hidden message in all the religion so called holy books are one and the same,but many innoncent guys like you,discriminated all the religions for personal and selflish use,
Everywhere there is a kind of competition among every other religion?now why is that?
And these days chirstians are busy converted poor innocent illiterate people to Christians?
Now why do jesus want that?
Exactly its not that jesus want everyone to get converted to Christians,
It’s the fathers who are misusing the bible verses wants that,that’s why they target illiterate people in india,because its easy to brain wash them(and my dear I m not brain washed,you believe it or not,its not my problem)
And yeah even rich people are india are getting converted to Christians?why?
Oo la la la ,just because to get big dollars bugs in the name of charity,
Halululia…
Now RS do not do anything like that,they never wanted anyone to covert into any religion,
They just preach the real hidden meaning behind the holy book verses,that’s it.

“”I see you are attacking why Guru Nanak didnt lay down the Granth Sahib as the eternal Guru? Well if you read your FACTS straight the adi granth was compiled by the 5th Nanak (Guru Arjun Dev Ji) and maybe through the eternal light did each sikh guru feel that it wasnt time to install the guru granth sahib until Guru Gobind Singh took the lineage.””
HA HA HA HA,I m attacking guru nanak dev,holy jesus,
Try to first understand the meaning written in the post and then react my dear,in adi granth no where written that granth is living guru,its just manupuation,if granth was living guru,what was the scenarios of the earth before nanak dev born?was there no salvation or no saint before nanak,
They were and they are,and they will my dear APR,
Saints have been coming in different religions in different places,now that doesn mean that there is and end to mysticism,so how come guru nanak dev would have planned end to their mysticism,because nanak dev is not alive,you people are praising nanak dev,
If at all today instead of GSD,guru nanak dev would have been and at the place of guru nanak dev GSD have been,then your attitude would be like?
Guru nanak dev is a cult,and GSD was the real fact,who preached guru granth sahib,
Like I said many times,because GSD Is available you people are enjoying the rants,
And in time of guru nanak dev he faced so much of ill words and treatment from many people of that time,and it has been happening with every saint,
What happened to jesus,what happened to sham e Tabriz,what what happened in sheesh ganj gurudwara,
What happened with bulleh shah,
Every time whenever saints were present they were critics like you,which is very natural,and true.
“”This general, ignorant views you have about people eating chicken tikka etc is just a stupid generic comment which you like to think. If those who have taken the amritdhari path are doing this it is their SIN and they will pay for this. ““
My dear I have been in the company of amratdhari who ate all the meat and drank all the alchohol,that too with proud and later on saying waheguru waheguru,
And for your information the above mention was a piece of news for you that’s it,
Even in RS naamdharis do get off track and do all which they should not,but I cant help out,
Their life their hell.
“”Let me tell you one thing. Have a look at Religare accounts and see who is the main shareholder in wealth. Yes your so called fake guru and his sons are involved in pharmaceutical assests and where has their money come from? You sevadars who pump money into his haynes park and beas dera . All that money goes on his personal wealth. Have a look on google! Type his name and religare and you tell me if his motive is to guide you or to be establish his personal wealth.””
Well why should I get deep into religare,when its not my business,its their family matters,I m not blood related to GSD to interfere in family matters,I m only concerned with spiritual matters.
OK the doctor serving you,will give you pills and prescription,but then you can peep into doctors personal life.
“”My problem is you RSSB use other religions to try and mould it into your own path. How cheap is that. These great saints changed the world with their selfless actions yet you have your GSD investing seva money into his personal wealth.””
Well dear believe it or not the above written matter is the reaction of jealous,which is again very natural.And do you have any valid proof that Seva money is used for personal wealth,If you have just publish and then talk,unless sit down,calmly,have peace dear APR2005.

“”SGGS should be read from its place of worship and that place of worship is not haynes park. Think about it MLA. Are you lot really different to scientology? There are similarities in every sense.””
Who said SGGS should be read from any worship place,please dear update your knowledge,because you people love playing with holy books,that’s the reason saints come to the world to make you understand what is the true meaning written in any holy book.
But you fool the holy book and the holy master.Like happened to jesus.

“In regards to hindu, yes Guru Nanak was from a hindu family, and everyone at the time was born a hindu because hinduism is the oldest religion in the world.”
If it’s the oldest then why guru nanak dev lineage started the 5ks and Sikhism,because for some reason and purpose,but without understanding the reason and purpose if you forget it completely and follow it materialisticly then its of no use,
Many Sikhs are trimming there beard…openly.balle balle.
“”GSD is a sikh. He follows the 5 K`s but no point following the 5 K`S when you are moulding the SGGS into your own ways and RSSB. I wonder what the real christians/hindus/muslims would think if they became more aware of how RSSB manipulates the teachings of the religions to their own personal and wealth benefit.””
Yes GSD is sikh and follow 5k,because he is born in sikh,if she changes his Sikhism now that would be acting like a cult that for RSSB there are certain parameters and ritual like system,
That you have to change your way of looking and dressing,my dear GSD has been following Sikhism with 5ks is to show theres no need to change religion to follow spirituality,
And no one moulding SGGS dear,no one,SGGS is only mould by Sikhs who follow it without living guru,
There was an incident,in the time of maharaj charan singh ji,when he was in a gurudwara in some other country,he got a chance to give a discourse and he had given a long discourse in gurudwara with guru granth sahib verses,and every one there liked the way of preaching and discourse so much,that the pathi next day came to him,for asking to attend another discourse,
But when he came to maharaj charan singh ji,he saw the picture of sawan singh ji,he asked are you Radhasoami,and when he said yes,he just walked away.
See the silliest thing,unless until he was not aware that charan singh ji was an RS,they liked his interpretation on SGGS,but as soon as they got to know that he is RS,his view changed.
Now what do you call this?
Wake up my dear.wake up.
I told here many times,still repeat it again,I m not in RSSB because I m brainwashed,I m in RSSB because of my own personal experiences.

“”Dont generalise and answer questions directly. So please do answer my questions and use facts. You RSSB are so brainwashed and if ex-satsangis are now leaving more than ever based on the dis-functional teachings then perhaps you shopuld look at yourself also.””
Yes satsangis are leaving fast…and FYI and new ones are joning even faster,but both the issues for me are of no concern.
It happened in the time of guru nanak dev as well as jesus,as well has many other saints,
What you think when guur nanak dev was there,everyone adored him,
Not at all,there were more critics than follower dear;
“”If you are so connected with RSSB why dont you ask your GSD to create his own marriage ceremony/prayers as you guys are hindus/sikh/muslim when you want all these religious occassions to happen but RSSB in your spirituality. HOW COMPLETELY ILLOGICAL AND SENSELESS IS THAT. Perhaps I should be hindu in the am, sikh in the pm and muslim whenever I am not hindu or sikh!
How brainwashed you lot are.””

Why should I ask GSD my master to get into materialistic rituals of marriages and religionism,
You are being completely illogical APR,not me.
I once again say dear brother/sister( I do not know what gender you belong to)I m not brainwashed,at all.

And please update your knowledge regarding SGGS and RSSB,
I m here not running anywhere,we will discuss then,

tara is an innocent lady,
she is so confused that she finds everyone else in confusion.
And yeah what i admit is my english language might sometimes confuse you,because i do not master english language.
i try my best possible way to convey the message.
apart from that my language can be bit confusing,but intelligent,known person can derive the fact from it.
because i know about what i m posting.
And they are simple facts.
not illusionary like tara's thoughts.

But yeah i m learning a lot from Brian,marina and George,they know the best way to express through language.
These three guys have master the art of writing.
Brian book LIfE is Fair,is one the amazing book i ever read.
if i see positive side of Brian,there's so much to gain from him.
Apart from his view which have been changed for RS.Thats ok.Because its natural and can happen.

And one Fact for all,
Saints have been facing criticism from the day of the existence of the earth,the existence of human,
what change is the way they get criticized,
the platform,
like in this information technology,the scope of criticism is much higher,because the knowledge and information is available in tips,
but again the technology too has some pros and cons,
you will find false propaganda like mike has created a website for beas secret history,
he does not know the secret of beas,more closely that i know,
but then its his way of thinking and expressing where he gets satisfied by spreading rumors for someone he do not like and admire and follow.
Santmat from the beginning to end was one and same.
what change we see and call it.are the changes of time,people and their understanding.
do anyone using the p1 version of pc right now in this blog with 64mb of ram,
I believe no:
every one has upgraded the configuration of their PC for better use,
but the basic mode of pc has not changed,
like that,if we take books from past hundred of years,we will see change in every book of spirituality,the change doesnt happen because masters want it,
the change happen because of the disciples and followers.

like Osho, said baba ji said no regions.
well but as we very well know,we have read many times there are 5 regions?
but suddenly what made him say no regions,
because at that time,when they were preached about region,people started concentrating on regions,
which is actually not the right practise while doing meditation.

But no one listens and understand.
So according to osho's limited understanding,
the teaching has been change,to make people do the right kind of meditation,
without paying more detail on concepts,
And he also mentioned in his video,that
God is here,
That when he asked baba ji,
Is my god is here,
HE replied according to osho,
That even my god is here,
now what more else Osho was waiting to listen from him(so later on he can pin point him more profoundly),
If he would have said only yes,
then what would be osho's take on it.
If his answer would have been just "YES".

I will wait for oshos answer.

And Osho says master says he will come at the time of death and later on present baba ji said no,no one will come at the time of death.

and osho used paltu saheb verse(the GSD of that time)
without making much sense out of it.

Baba ji said no guru will come after the death,it actually means:
That unless you meet the radiant form of master,inside you,while you being alive,
then how could you see his radiant form after death.
Its very simple,
Unless you attain realisation while you are alive,how can you assure or realise it after death.

And illiterate person can't suddenly become graduate after his death.
He has to study go to school and college if he needs to be educated.
Like wise unless one get master the practice of "Jeeta Ji marna" how can you master it after death.

Even according to osho,as well i even read it in a book,
master said him
burn all the books,
now thats really a wonderful idea.
because we always try to be smart,and act smart actually,
that is the reason instead of going straight on the path,we are still searching or hunting for something else in the books,
and there is nothing more you will gain from books,
what you can gain at some point is A GREAT CONFUSION "because mind is never satisfying"

i feel one day may come,when RSSB will have 1-5 books only.
Thats it,what is the use of more n more books
when people will try to get smart and hence confuse themself,and raise silly doubts and therefore instead of following the path,they just jump out of it.

After getting Graduation or post graduation,
One gets into the real thing,that is either one does business or one do his job!!
But no one after getting graduate start revising the old study books,
their purposed has been solved.
The student is graduate,now he need is direct live experience.
The same way,after reading books,one needs to practice and experience it.

Without practicing or you can say still being in doubt and confusion while practicing will definitely get you no where,but to the inventions of these like blogs.

And no point in saying,i have been in to path for 30 years - 45 years - 60 years...and i still gained nothing.

if you still gain nothing,then its you who have to find,what was lacking,
nothing will happen blaming anyone else including master.

A person who does not take the pills and prescription on time can not blame the doctor for any reason.

time to say good bye..its late mid night in india.

else if my conscious permit will come back and post, or else will disspear like i did long back and enjoy my lovely life...

And for tara,please lady..grow up,
I told you so many times,
that about inner circle and master,discussion only through emails.
No public discussion on this topic.

If you do not want to discuss in email,then better leave it.

(1) 2005 a few posts back wrote:
"Yes your so called fake guru and his sons are involved in pharmaceutical assets and where has their money come from? You sevadars who pump money into his Haynes park and beas dera . All that money goes on his personal wealth."

I do not think that Tara ever
said that the guru had his
hand in the seva cookie jar and was buying shares with it to pass on to his family. Maybe Tara can comment/clarify this again? Think the whole gig is a little more subtle than that.

The Sikh AdiGranth points out, I believe, that a guru gives example, through his own spiritual stature, to his disciples on overcoming the five sins: Anger, lust, greed, attachment and pride. So, for me the deeper more important issue is whether the guru has overcome these mammoth stumbling blocks. If a guru is hoarding up a lot of dough for his personal family and personal use one would be wise to wonder if he has, indeed, overcome them.

mla, you raised some good points.


By the way, your English is very good. I can understand your comments and they make sense.


I liked your metaphor on computers and how we constantly change software with the times. Different upgrades – for the times we are living in, but the underlying principles are still in play.


mla you wrote:

‘There is nothing more you will gain from books,
what you can gain at some point is A GREAT CONFUSION "because mind is never satisfying"


Yes, the mind indeed is never satisfied. It is a great tool, but a poor master!


I agree with you about keeping to our own side of our business. We can get lost ‘looking’ at someone else’s business, when we don’t have all the facts and never will; better looking into our own business and doing what feels right for ourselves and leave everyone to do what they want to do.


I had mixed feelings myself about ‘blogs’ but to be honest it has given me other viewpoints which I find interesting and it also ‘shows’ me where I am at by how much I react to comments – either put to me or just in general. It also allows me to look at my beliefs and how strongly I hold onto them or not or how I can sometimes ‘defend’ myself. So, all is good.




Marina

mla

I notice yet again you have not answered my questions directly rather you have answered AROUND the question.

for e.g When I state about being hindu in the am/sikh in the pm etc..you state "Why should I ask GSD my master to get into materialistic rituals of marriages and religionism,
You are being completely illogical APR,not me".

Ok when did I say to you to ask your FAKE master? I asked you to tell me what you are in the am and pm! You cannot answer it because you know RSSB is your so called way.

I have one million more times knowledge about SGGS than you EVER will. You RSSB think you know more than anyone about it but if you actually went to the gurdwara you would learn more about the SGGS rather than manipulating it for your own good like the RSSB do.

The moral of the story here is you cannot answer why such respected news writers and researches such as the washington post write that GSD mixes personal money with spiritualism! Why would they print such an article?!! In fact they are not just the only ones who have printed such things about GSD. Just go onto the web and you will find many well-written accounts about GSD and his mis-doings yet you RSSB bow to him like as if he is GOD.

MLA,

You also state:

“That you have to change your way of looking and dressing,my dear GSD has been following Sikhism with 5ks is to show theres no need to change religion to follow spirituality,
And no one moulding SGGS dear,no one,SGGS is only mould by Sikhs who follow it without living guru”.

Exactly my point. HE IS A SIKH. Yet he is preaching his own path separately! What is the need for it? He uses Sikhism for his OWN PERSONAL benefit rather than preaching the word of GOD at the gurdwara!

He uses the SGGS as his own teachings yet dosent understand that he himself is sikh and is abusing the religion by being a fake guru which is condemned in sikhi. When innocent people like yourself will start to realise that you have NO IDENTITY or path in spirituality then you will realise just a waste of time RSSB is. You are NO DIFFERENT to scientology! Very similar in all your ways.

WHat is your need to be in RSSB when your religion teaches the same thing? Answer that directly and dont answer AROUND it.

How tiresome

Completly agree with you Dogribb

“”I notice yet again you have not answered my questions directly rather you have answered AROUND the question.
for e.g When I state about being hindu in the am/sikh in the pm etc..you state "Why should I ask GSD my master to get into materialistic rituals of marriages and religionism,
You are being completely illogical APR,not me".
Ok when did I say to you to ask your FAKE master? I asked you to tell me what you are in the am and pm! You cannot answer it because you know RSSB is your so called way.””

Well,APR let me tell you onething,first of all calling anyone Fake is as easy,as calling any one Genuine,
But then in both the cases you should be aware that you are having right information and knowledge about,your talking for and talking to.
And I m not rssb by chance but I m here rssb by choice,there were several choices to choose,and I choose RSSB.Well Dear APR There are thousands of universities teaching the same Management course,called as MBA,
Now being every institution teaching the same, why don’t we just join oxford university and not Cambridge, well because dear the teachings of all MBA institutes are one, but everyone has adopted certain system and process to teach MBA in their own ways, for which they have been master practicing so long.
Like wise RSSB is a spiritual institute,I liked it and I joined it.Some one else didn’t liked it they didn’t joined it,and someone have joined it,try it but yet because of many ABC reasons left the institution.This is very natural process.


“”I have one million more times knowledge about SGGS than you EVER will. You RSSB think you know more than anyone about it but if you actually went to the gurdwara you would learn more about the SGGS rather than manipulating it for your own good like the RSSB do.””

Now you say you have million times knowledge of SGGS,Dear brother I have never said anything about myself that I have certain amount of knowledge,but yes I said that because of my few personal experiences and belief I joined RSSB.
But you because are into spirituality without a guru,quoted with a egoistic statement that you know millions times more knowledge,
Well dear according to me,I have met 3 or 4 sikhs who really have knowledge of SGGS,these four were the follower of SGGS,and they truly understand it.

“”The moral of the story here is you cannot answer why such respected news writers and researches such as the washington post write that GSD mixes personal money with spiritualism! Why would they print such an article?!! In fact they are not just the only ones who have printed such things about GSD. Just go onto the web and you will find many well-written accounts about GSD and his mis-doings yet you RSSB bow to him like as if he is GOD. “”

Well if some one mixed spiritualism with materialism,its there problem not mine or any path ‘s problem.And why they print,very natural,these days media people are making greatest amount of money,They need news.bad,good,real,fake whatever doesn’t matter,they need news that can sell.
And dear you have millions times knowledge of SGGS,you might have know that even guru nanak dev faced these kind of criticism in that era also,
Even the parents of guru nanak dev believed that their son nanak is mentally imbalance,because of his behavior(as he was always used to be in meditation and sometime days would have been spent meditating.now who doesn’t understand its worth and reality will definitely take it has some physic problem,like even today many think)

So its not just GSD,each and every single saint on this earth never had any smooth journey,all had their share of criticism.
We RS followers bow to our master,because he has given us the true knowledge,you might have not understood it,but we believe him,and like guru nanak dev was not god but saint,like that RS master is also a saint not god.
Never ever any time RS people preached themselves as god,they are Saints.
Just like guru nanak dev was a saint,a mystic but not god.Like wise GSD is also a saint,not god.
If he is a god then why he gives us those names to repeat why we need inside and reach a place called sachkand,
If he himself is a god then the purpose should end there itself,no need of initiation no need to go to satsang nothing more required.
But these things you wont understand,
But yes he is given a equal value the same value given to god,
WHY?
Because God is a power which we have never witness,but as the master the saint shows us the way to get connected to the power,we definitely would bow to the master who has shown a path a way,
Ok let me give another simple answer,
There is a teacher a faculty who teach us,and because of whom we gain so much immense knowledge for the subject he taught us,now who has given us knowledge on different subject,would we not bow to that teacher and pay the respect,in divinity.


Posted by: APR2005 | August 15, 2011 at 03:52 AM
“ “That you have to change your way of looking and dressing,my dear GSD has been following Sikhism with 5ks is to show theres no need to change religion to follow spirituality,
And no one moulding SGGS dear,no one,SGGS is only mould by Sikhs who follow it without living guru”.
Exactly my point. HE IS A SIKH. Yet he is preaching his own path separately! What is the need for it? He uses Sikhism for his OWN PERSONAL benefit rather than preaching the word of GOD at the gurdwara!””
Well you say he is a sikh (I agree) and you say he is preaching a own path,well fyi brother he is not preaching is own path,he is preaching spirituality the path which belongs to all for all,
it’s the path of kabir das,tulsi shaheb,paltu,bulleh shah,guru nanak dev and many more saints.
Well at the time of guru nanak dev,according to you what you think,there were no other paths,they were,
At the time of guru nanak dev and rest of other 9 gurus there were many more paths running,
And these all gurus faced the same criticism like now,every one question the way you are questioning now.
And you said he is using Sikhism for personal use,
Well dear APR according to me,
I have always hear bad words and abuses from gurudwara followers for RS,
But never every heard bad words from RS followers regarding SGGS or gurudwara.
I many times visit gurudwara,I visit it same respect and value,but sikh of gurudwaras are full of self EGO and have bad views for RS followers.
And APR I do not understand what personal use you are talking about.
I do not see any personal use,if you see it elobrate in detail.
You said why not he rather preach it in gurudwara,
My dear he will definitely preach it in gurudwara,but you guys will never allow or like his preaching in gurudwara,because you guys have made a mind.that SGGS is the only guru and now you guys gave no value for living guru.
I really sometimes do not understand,Why guru nanak dev has 10 gurus,
Why he had not stopped his GAADI right after him,why he continued.
There might be a reason,which we do not know,we can just believe it.
My granddad use to do satsangs in gurudwara,and you know when we migrated to a new place,
Where we were NEW,my granddad got overnight recognition just because of his preaching in gurudwara,
All the Sikhs of my town became his well wisher and admired him for his interpretation on SGGS,that too without reading the granth,as he knows the each and single word of granth on his lips.
And the way he use to do satsang,it’s just amazing,
My dad once said(now watch my words,I m giving a statement you can pin point on me and play with me.and use against RS  )
My dad said,that one or other time may be,there is a chance of feeling low,or sleepy in masters satsang,but he always felt lively and energetic in my grand dads satsang,
Because is satsang is always full of love..and devotion and he has his own impact of doing satsang.
So APR you guys have very wrong thought of RS,have you ever heard rssb misuing SGGS teachings,they always take the teaching of SGGS in a very respected manner and preach it.

“”He uses the SGGS as his own teachings yet dosent understand that he himself is sikh and is abusing the religion by being a fake guru which is condemned in sikhi. When innocent people like yourself will start to realise that you have NO IDENTITY or path in spirituality then you will realise just a waste of time RSSB is. You are NO DIFFERENT to scientology! Very similar in all your ways.
WHat is your need to be in RSSB when your religion teaches the same thing? Answer that directly and dont answer AROUND it.””
My dear even people use to say that guru nanak dev was FAKE,but does that stopped the teachings to spread.it did and see you own self you believe SGGS,inspite of the criticism involved with it.

And I have never ever heard or felt that RS ever used SGGS as their own personal teachings,

And if you think that way,SGGS is all dependant of Kabir das ji,why don’t you have kabir das ji pictures in gurudwaras?
I think if there would be no kabir das they would have been no SGGS as well as No radhasoami,
Kabir das ji has contributed a lot for spirituality,
And I think we can state his as father of spirituality,we have known in last 600 years.
They always says that this bani belongs to this guru and start the satsang,

They never said this bani belongs to us,
If you have paid attention,
Mostly banis are from SGGS,kabir dad,tusli sahib and soami ji,
There is no bani where they have stated,like
This bani is of jaimal singh ji,jagat singh ji or charan singh ji or sawan singh ji,
APR,we all should think in peace and then decide what is true and what is false.
Its because you own teachings are been preached in more refined manner,you are all not able to digest it.
Guru nanak dev was extremely against of MEAT,but all amirtdharis and Sikhs eat it,I mean they are they major population who consumes meat,
Where is the respect for guru nanak dev dear,they have already gone against their SGGS.
Its not about SGGS dear
ONE needs Living guru all the time,so that we may not mislead,but here its happening opposite,
One is being criticized for having a master.


Bear with the spelling mistakes in above post,u typed very quicly,i haven't checked and posted it.

Will take care of it next time.
Sorry for inconvenience this time.

MLA, you again are very confused. You contradict yourself immensely. The RSSB path uses the SGGS for its own path. Now if GSD was so glued to his word of RSSB is nopt a religion and its a path, well why are you using all religous paths, combining them together and making it your own RSSB path when in fact it isnt!

stop bringing Guru Nanak Dev Ji into this when yet again there is NO NEED for the RSSB path because all of your teachings by GSD are from the SGGS, therefore there is no need for the RSSB to exist. You will find that in many pics of Guru Nanak Dev Ji there is Kabir Sahib next to him in an artistic form...anyway kabir`s teachings are all contained in the living SGGS.

You state: So APR you guys have very wrong thought of RS,have you ever heard rssb misuing SGGS teachings,they always take the teaching of SGGS in a very respected manner and preach it.

EXACTLY MY POINT!!! You preach the SGGS from your beas centres! No need for it when all of your followers know that the same message is given if they simply go to the gudwara or place of worship!! What is the need for multim-million pound investments when the message is given in every gudwara...and this is where GSD benefits because he knows innocent brainwashed people like you will join this RSSB cult without thinking logically about it.

You also state: "Because is satsang is always full of love..and devotion and he has his own impact of doing satsang"

GO TO any place of worship and you will find LOVE, PEACE AND DEVOTION!

You know soon I predict there will be NO RELIGIONS left (i.e places of worship) because cults like RSSB, Scientology will destroy the core religions as most of the world know that there is NO NEED for RSSB when so many religions teach the same thing.

And as the title of the actual post says, the RSSB cult is mixing money with spirituality. Something Guru Nanak and the sikh gurus NEVER did.

MLA you may find this a good read.

http://www.theradhasoami.com/

Well APR,
you have very limited knowledge and a very narrow mind,
so discussing you would be a pain for me,
You are against RSSB,i can see that and understand that.
But you are pin pointing someone without any much knowledge,
even it happen with guru nanak dev and all the other 9 gurus,
you are not doing anything new,
you are telling me not to bring guru nanak dev in topic,
well because you have limited knowledge you are saying so,
Even you think there's no need to bring guru nanak dev in between,
then there is also no need to bring GSD in between.

And if SGGS is mostly based and dependant on Kabir das ji,
why dont you guys worship kabir das.
I need not kabir das beside nanak dev,
It should be nanak dev who should be beside kabir das ji.

As without kabir das there would be no SGGS.

And my dear,you are acting like a school going kid,
i told you already thrice,i m not brainwashed.
I need not to.

And what guru nanak dev have done or not,
you do not have any clue,
so you can't say that nanak dev havent done this or that.

one he was visited a village,where people throwed stones on nanak dev telling him to leave the village.
Can you except you doing it , right today,if guru nanak dev would have been there..infront of you..
You would not even dreamt to do such thing,
But at the time of nanak dev it happened.

The same way you are bashing RSSB,
in nanak dev times there was some like you,
who yelled at nanak dev,said bad words about nanak dev and even throwed stones at him.

By the way,you are openly pin pointing a Master,according to you he is a normal person,
ok let take it in your own sense,
you are bashing RSSB path and RSSB guru,
is this what written in SGGS,is this what Guru nanak dev said,
that say bad about others??
is this SGGS taught you to do??

among 100% /95% sikhs dont even follow SGGS or know how to follow it,

In your theradhasoami.com website a sikh openly bashing RSSB guru and mastana ji,
what he is saying is all fake,
i can prove him.
No one knows about mastana ji better than me.

What all he said is 100% fake.Tell him to meet me in india.
Let me have conversation with him.

And one more thing the way he is bashing,
and in between saying bolo satnam waheguru,
SHAME ON HIM,
is this GURU NANAK DEV taught him?
Is this Written is SGGS,that keep on bashing others.

Think about it APR.

Pointing fingers on other is very easy thing to do.

And you predict that soon there would be no RSSB,
my dear brother..it is very much possible,
because at one time we already saw and end to guru nanak devs gaadis,
it met the end of 10th gaadi.
Right dear..
It happens,its a natural cosmic spiritual law
let me update your knowledge..
Any saint,cant sustain the path for ever,
once and for there comes an end to particular path,
(why?there are many reasons for it which i do not want to discuss here)
Radhasoami path may have an end,but dear neither you nor me can predict that.

And end to a particular path doesnt come because its fake,
but it ends because many fake people start joining it and spoil it.
And then at one point that path has to face the end.
In order to see a fresh start of some other path in some other religion in some other place.

You can trace the history,
it has been happening from the time of existence of this earth.

If spiritual path had no end,
then today the nanak dev's gaadi would have been still continuing.
But it didn't happened.

so like wise,there is always a start time of a path and a end time of a path.

Tara you are not being mature,
so i would for some time stay away from replying you,
first for few days let me see you growing up.
Then would decide whether to reply to your immature posts or not.
Ok dear fine and nice lady(according to your followers)

MLA

You state:

"And if SGGS is mostly based and dependant on Kabir das ji,
why dont you guys worship kabir das.
I need not kabir das beside nanak dev,
It should be nanak dev who should be beside kabir das ji."

Firstly we worship SGGS. Not just one individual! All the 10 Gurus with their saints contributed to the SGGS so we worship all that is stated in the SGGS by these saints therefore we worship the SGGS as a whole!

Why do you think Guru Nanak was not accepted? There is a reason! He dismissed the Hindu and Muslim rituals (something which RSSB does not!) and wanted to create a universal religion for which HE experienced. He didnt create Sikhism out of hinduism, islam, chrisitianity he created Sikhism based on his own universality and divineness unlike RSSB who use all religions to make their own!

You RSSB are telling Sikhs how to follow the SGGS?!!!!!!! Who do you lot think you are!! You RSSB follow all religions so dont tell those who are committed to one faith how to follow their own faith! Think about MLA, use some logical in your argument.

You also state "And you predict that soon there would be no RSSB,
my dear brother..it is very much possible,
because at one time we already saw and end to guru nanak devs gaadis".

if you read my post I did not say that! I said that cults like RSSB will destroy core religions in the future. Most of your RSSB is full of hindus and sikhs therefore they will lose their identity as a hindu and sikh and get lost in this cheap spiritual path of RSSB.

For your information I KNOW A LOT about RSSB as a lot of my friends and family are RSSB and so please do not judge my knowledge. What I do know is that you RSSB are brainwashed by GSD who thinks using his own religion for his own benefit is a good thing. He knows that being a SIKH he should be reciting bani in the proper Sikh way not manipulate it to his own ways and USE the bani to make him money!
it met the end of 10th gaadi.
Right dear..
It happens,its a natural cosmic spiritual law
let me update your knowledge..
Any saint,cant sustain the path for ever,
once and for there comes an end to particular path,
(why?there are many reasons for it which i do not want to discuss here)
Radhasoami path may have an end,but dear neither you nor me can predict that.

Let me also ask you ONE thing. Guru Gobind Singh installed the SGGS as the eternal and living guru and placed 5 paise infront of it and bowed before it yet you RSSB bow before GSD. He is NOT higher than the SGGS and unless you RSSB understand that, you will never know what SGGS is about.

I wonder why there is not one single copy of SGGS in beas or any RSSB centre. Think about it MLA....ALL OF YOUR TEACHINGS are from the SGGS and thus there is no need to divert from the path Guru Gobind Singh laid down before he left this earth. Likewise Jesus and the bible and the muslims and quran.

To finish this matter an excellent statement is as follows:

"Gurbani is misinterpreted to suit these cults to make people believe that Gurbani rejects the idea of keeping unshorn hair and taking Amrit is optional. All these fake gurus use Gurbani of Guru Granth Sahib Ji and replace the word "Nanak" with their own name to mislead people into thinking that it is their message. To further mislead the people, the so called 'naam' or a special name is given to the followers and they are required to meditate upon it everyday. This special mantra is a mixture of different words. Some words are taken from Guru Granth Sahib Ji and others from Hinduism. An example of such mantra would be "Satnam, O-ang So-hang, Run Mun, Jhun Jhun."

Now you tell me, you RSSB are abusing everything Guru Gobind Singh laid down. SGGS is the eternal and living guru for the Sikhs and when your GSD realises that, that will be the end for RSSB. Unfortunately you followers of RSSB will never understand this because you are so confused as one minute your RSSB and the next you are hindu or sikh.

Just look at it from this angle MLA. Do you understand why the pure hindus/sikhs/muslims/christians are against your RSSB and also scientiology. Do you not see you are destroying their religions by brainwashing people into the RSSB path.

Let me ask you one final question. What was the NEED for Swami Shiv Dyal Singh to create RSSB when Guru Gobind Singh, the hindu Gita and Jesus already laid down principles of good religious practice???? The answer is ...THERE WAS NO NEED and it was only for personal gain!

//“”Firstly we worship SGGS. Not just one individual! All the 10 Gurus with their saints contributed to the SGGS so we worship all that is stated in the SGGS by these saints therefore we worship the SGGS as a whole!””//

Ok so you tell you worship 10 gurus,as a whole?where has SGGS has said according to you,do not worship any guru,because SGGS itself is a living guru-contradiction.check yourself.
And when SGGS is mostly based on Kabir das,Why not worship him as well-contradiction check yourself.

//””Why do you think Guru Nanak was not accepted? There is a reason! He dismissed the Hindu and Muslim rituals (something which RSSB does not!) and wanted to create a universal religion for which HE experienced. He didnt create Sikhism out of hinduism, islam, chrisitianity he created Sikhism based on his own universality and divineness unlike RSSB who use all religions to make their own!””//

Grow up APR,Eeven RS preach the same as guru nanak dev or any other saint who visited earth said,do not get into rituals.When you say guru nanak dev and their gurus have not created religion,my dear why you follow Sikhism,why maintain 5ks.come out of it.
Maintaining 5k’s is also a kind of ritual.And Sikhs are always with ego and pround that their SGGS is the only messiah everything else is fake.Look into your own self First APR,
You guys are misleading yourself,just because you do not have a master to guide.A holy book can give you idea but not the facts,unless they are understood and experienced.

“”You RSSB are telling Sikhs how to follow the SGGS?!!!!!!! Who do you lot think you are!! You RSSB follow all religions so dont tell those who are committed to one faith how to follow their own faith! Think about MLA, use some logical in your argument.””

First of all APR mind your language, what do you mean to say “YOU RSSB”Talk to me as a individual.Do not drag the path into it,
If at all anything is said ,its said by me,not by RS.so better be in your dignity count.
I m being logical,its you who is being ill logical.
//””You also state "And you predict that soon there would be no RSSB,
my dear brother..it is very much possible,
because at one time we already saw and end to guru nanak devs gaadis".//
//””if you read my post I did not say that! I said that cults like RSSB will destroy core religions in the future. Most of your RSSB is full of hindus and sikhs therefore they will lose their identity as a hindu and sikh and get lost in this cheap spiritual path of RSSB.””//
Well What will happen to RSSB you should not be so concerned dear,they are not getting into your lives and asking you out something.RSSB is not just full of hindus and Sikhs,
If you open your eyes,ears and mind,you will see RSSB is full of everybody,
No religion barrier,you will find hindu,muslim,Christians,Sikhs and all.
And its not at all like religion of Sikhs and muslim or chirstians,
Because to get into religion of Sikhs you need to maintain 5k’s,to get into the religion of muslims you need to follow certain tradition and rituals,
To get into Christianity you need to follow certain system and change your name,
But there is no such rule in RSSB,you need not get converted or change anything,being you as you,you can follow spirituality.
And please do not state the SGGS is the only one been preached in RS,they use verses of all saints,to understand others,that what all saints preached was same and one,you just need to understand it.


//“”Let me also ask you ONE thing. Guru Gobind Singh installed the SGGS as the eternal and living guru and placed 5 paise infront of it and bowed before it yet you RSSB bow before GSD. He is NOT higher than the SGGS and unless you RSSB understand that, you will never know what SGGS is about.””//
My innocent brother APR,RS masters have always paid respect to SGGS,and why there is no SGGS,because in time of jaimal singh ji SIKHS created a huge scene and issue of having SGGS in BEAS dera,so what choice RS has been left with,they have to remove it from the DERA,
They were forced to.Its all Sikh fault,not RSSB.And we bow in front of our master,because we believe him as our master,you do not believe,so you do not bow in front of him.
You can order me or interfere in my faith and belief dear.
And the last line,would better suits you,that,APR would never know what SGGS really is!!


//””I wonder why there is not one single copy of SGGS in beas or any RSSB centre. Think about it MLA....ALL OF YOUR TEACHINGS are from the SGGS and thus there is no need to divert from the path Guru Gobind Singh laid down before he left this earth. Likewise Jesus and the bible and the muslims and quran.””//
No one is diverting anything here,just right interpretation of teachings.And I have already replied why there Is no copy of SGGS in any Rs center.
Ok lets do onething,get a agreement signed from SIKHS around the world,stating we would have no aobjection in having SGGS In RSSB centers.Ok do it.Then you may have SGGS in all RSSB centers.
My dear innocent APR,there will be a hell lot of clash,if this happens,Sikhs will go crazy,and that itself would be the proof of not understanding SGGS.And not understanding the teaching of NANAK DEV.
Just a simple thought dear,do think about it,
You are no bigger than guru nanak dev right,if you are nothing before guru nanak dev and other gurus of lineage.why are you so concerned about other path.
IF at all RSSB is misleading their disciple taking the name of nanak dev,I believe nanak dev have enough power to punish RSSB,
Why are you taking the lead,if at all you are taking the lead,it will show as if nanak dev was a powerless saint.
But if at all you respect nanak dev and his power,just stay quiet and believe in nanak dev,that if at all RSSB are misleading other in name of SGGS ,then,guru nanak dev will take care of it,
Why are you taking the charge.

//””"Gurbani is misinterpreted to suit these cults to make people believe that Gurbani rejects the idea of keeping unshorn hair and taking Amrit is optional. All these fake gurus use Gurbani of Guru Granth Sahib Ji and replace the word "Nanak" with their own name to mislead people into thinking that it is their message. To further mislead the people, the so called 'naam' or a special name is given to the followers and they are required to meditate upon it everyday. This special mantra is a mixture of different words. Some words are taken from Guru Granth Sahib Ji and others from Hinduism. An example of such mantra would be "Satnam, O-ang So-hang, Run Mun, Jhun Jhun." “”//
I would like to remain silent for the above comment,because I have respect for guru nanak dev ji.


//””Now you tell me, you RSSB are abusing everything Guru Gobind Singh laid down. SGGS is the eternal and living guru for the Sikhs and when your GSD realises that, that will be the end for RSSB. Unfortunately you followers of RSSB will never understand this because you are so confused as one minute your RSSB and the next you are hindu or sikh.
Just look at it from this angle MLA. Do you understand why the pure hindus/sikhs/muslims/christians are against your RSSB and also scientiology. Do you not see you are destroying their religions by brainwashing people into the RSSB path.””//
No one is abusing guru gobind singh ji,other than the Sikhs themselves.Sikhs are the one who abuse their own gurus,by not following the path,the way,their gurus wanted.
No one is changing from rssb to hindu or sikh,its just mere a incorrect knowledge and thought of your mind.
//””Let me ask you one final question. What was the NEED for Swami Shiv Dyal Singh to create RSSB when Guru Gobind Singh, the hindu Gita and Jesus already laid down principles of good religious practice???? The answer is ...THERE WAS NO NEED and it was only for personal gain!””//

Well you are so very innocent and ignorant APR,I think you are a young chap,may be in 20’s.Shiv dayal ji never created any path,he clearly stated that his path is ANAAMI,
But jaimal singh ji choose the path name as radhasoami,just to represent it,but not for personal use.
Ok just give me a brief detail,what do you mean by personal use,are they coming at places and asking every one to join RSSB,
Well APR,I think you are confused,you are scared,that how come their can be any other guru than SGGS,
Guru gobind singh ji was the last guru and he installed SGGS and stated as living guru,was because there was and end to nanak dev lineage of guru,but that doesn’t meant that there is the end of GURUS on the earth.
Like jesus came and you know he faced death at a very early age.
Kabir,tulsi das,bulleh shah,paltu,dadu,nanak dev and their gurus,
All came and left this world,
You should just understand this by applying common sense,that saints do keep coming on the earth,there was no point,when the world was without any SAINT.
And likewise I said many times,
Even guru nanak dev,and his 9 gurus had no smooth journey while they preached spirituality.
Likewise RSSB also will never have a smooth journey,
Criticism was there from the beginning of the path of RS, what bought a change is the exposure,
Because of technology knowledge is available on tips,so we have a more profound way to criticize any one.
APR,you seems to be good person,but like normally many Sikhs and others have hatred for RS,you have developed hatred for rs for “your own reasons”

Just remember onething,Hatred will give you nothing,
And if you respect NANAK DEV words,one should always love all and hate no one.

MLA,

Firstly I am not 20 I am 35 years old. We worship the SGGS as that was installed as the living guru by Guru Gobind Singh Ji. Guru Gobind Singh did not install GSD or a cult like RSSB as the guru.

You still haven’t answered my question of why there was a need to create RSSB when the Gurus installed the SGGS as the eternal guru! What was the need for creation of RSSB? I tell you why because of people`s own personal gain.

What is the need to create another “spin-off” when many were devout hindus/Sikhs/muslims.

You state: “Maintaining 5k’s is also a kind of ritual.And Sikhs are always with ego and pround that their SGGS is the only messiah everything else is fake.Look into your own self First APR,”.

5 K`s is a ritual? Are you crazy? This is what Guru Gobind Singh directed to his Sikhs and if it was a ritual (which you state are dismissed in RSSB) then why have your past so called masters worn a turban and kept long hair?!!! How stupid are you?

You state: “You guys are misleading yourself,just because you do not have a master to guide.A holy book can give you idea but not the facts,unless they are understood and experienced”

Here you go again! Contradiction or what! I know you RSSB take the SGGS as your MAIN teaching and here you are telling people its how you understand it! People understand things differently and we do not need to bow to a master to read gurbani. Gurbani was written for all to understand.Gurbani can be understood in many ways however when you take the sikh teachings and mould it into the RSSB cult, then clearly it is not RSSB, you are using the SGGS for your own benefit.

Don’t give me any rubbish but answer my question to WHY was there a need to create RSSB and use SGGS as your main teaching when the Sikh Religion clearly is about this?

You state : “No one is abusing guru gobind singh ji,other than the Sikhs themselves.Sikhs are the one who abuse their own gurus,by not following the path,the way,their gurus wanted”

How are Sikhs abusing guru gobind singh?!! What is GSD by the way? Is he not sikh? Hang on a minute it is HE who is abusing the skih religion by this RSSB path as you RSSB don’t worship SGGS like the Sikhs do. He has created his own cult or own path as a spin off from Sikhism yet wears the 5`ks! THAT IS ABUSE MY FRIEND.

Answer my questions rather giving me a philosophy lesson! You know deep down there was no need to create the RSSB path when the core religions you RSSB use such as Hinduism/Sikhism/Christianity were formed centuries ago. Instead you brainwashed idiots believe that the RSSB has its own separate entity when in fact you use all religions for your own personal benefits and GSD uses it for his own personal wealth. No wonder so many believers of the core religions are against cults like RSSB.

Let me ask you: What is the need for the RSSB when in their daily lives people are following their own religion at their own place of worship? These places of worship teach the same message have been doing so for centuries!

MLA how about me and you start a cult called “RSSB – the new version” where we use all religions, their teachings and go to the places of worships of hindus/Sikhs/muslims and send the message that OUR path is the way and perhaps me and you can sit high up and preach about the religions together? That way we will benefit in all ways.

Perhaps you can then answer questions from followers of our path to as why there was a need to create it when all the core religions have existed for centuries and have been sending the same message for centuries…have a think as it wont take us long to create!!!!!! Also perhaps you can answer the question from followers “why is there a need to follow a separate path when religions teach the same thing”. What a joke.

Then you can say to the followers , you can be hindu/sikh/muslim at night but when you mediate you mediate on our fabricated message!! Therefore RSSB in the morning and your religion in the evening. PATHETIC.

APR,
I think your understanding levels are blocked.
I cannot discuss with a person,who himself is a brainwashed.

You have met wrong people,so you have incorrect knowledge with you.
Incorrect knowledge has been completely injected in you.

you have less knowledge of SGGS,even more less knowledge about RSSB.
No matter your age is 35,but that doesnt solve the purpose.

You asked again so long question which altogether make no sense...
Ok just answer one one question,
you said guru gobind singh ji has not installed GSD,well fair enough
First tell me
WHO INSTALLED GURU NANAK DEV,
And also answer me,
why guru gobind singh went aganist of all 9 gurus by starting this sikhism,
as guru gobind singh himself was a hindu,
so now if i think like you,if i think from your point of you,
like you are habitual of pin pointing others,
it seems like guru gobind singh ji started a cult called sikhs,may be for his personal use,
to create a different identity,he started sikhism for your person use.
IF not then why he dis -obeyed all the other 9 gurus,
and did he seek permission from guru nanak dev to start sikhism)inspite of truth that nanak was not alive at guru gobind singh jis time)

this above question is asked from your point of view( i need no answers for such questions,because i myself know the truth)
but i want to show you how ones feel,if someone goes down with complete incorrect knowledge and ask other stupid questions.

and one last question..
Guru gobind singh ji as installed SGGS As living guru,
that means all the 10 gurus of nanak dev lineage are considered to be dead.

When already SGGS has all the sayings of kabir das,why dont you have kabir das granth in gurudwara,
there is absolute no need of sggs.

so scratch your brain,and try to answer these questions.
because based on your answers,
i would either quit replying to you or will continue.

if you sounded again senseless for me.
then it would be a bye bye bid for you.

Marina,if you are interested can email me at
luvly_manish(at)yahoo.com

thanks

Ok for those who have been following our exchanges there you have it. A classic example of a RSSB follower who when questioned starts turning it around and cannot answer the question asked!

MLA,

I will answer your question like I always have but why do you NOT EVER answer my questions? Let me tell you one thing. A lot of my close family and friends are RSSB so I have very good knowledge of both RSSB and SGGS.

You asked: "WHO INSTALLED GURU NANAK DEV,And also answer me,why guru gobind singh
went aganist of all 9 gurus by starting this sikhism,as guru gobind singh
himself was a hindu".

Correct Guru Nanak WAS born into a HINDU family and rejected all hindisum rituals from the early age of 13! You should know this if you are so knowledgable.

You state: "it seems like guru gobind singh ji started a cult called sikhs,may be for his personal use,
to create a different identity,he started sikhism for your person use".

How completely ignorant are you? Sikhism was started with the Gurus`s OWN teachings. They did not use every single religion like the RSSB and create their own path! Sikhism was created independently of other religions whereas what does RSSB do? Yes they USE AND MANIPULATE all religions. Did Gobind Singh do this? NO!

You state: “Guru gobind singh ji as installed SGGS As living guru,
that means all the 10 gurus of nanak dev lineage are considered to be dead.
When already SGGS has all the sayings of kabir das,why dont you have kabir das granth in gurudwara,
there is absolute no need of sggs.”

Again you say I am not knowledgable maybe perhaps it is YOU who should be researching your history by asking me these questions! The teachings of all the Gurus are contained within the SGGS , hence the reason why Guru Gobind Singh installed it! By installing the SGGS this meant that all the 10 Guru`s blessings are encapsulated within the SGGS so to render a living guru!
You keep mentioning Kabir Das however do you actually know how many saints contributed to the compliation of the SGGS? The list is endless…Many saints have contributed to the SGGS.

So hopefully now that I have answered your questions, you can answer mine of why was the RSSB path was created when Gobind Singh installed the SGGS as the eternal guru!

Tell me why it was created because I have answered every single question of yours…
And remember this. Think about all of your RSSB teachings. The majority are from the SGGS so before you even think about asking questions about the SGGS, maybe YOU should understand what the SGGS is about , who complied it, when it was complied and who installed it….! Remember also that your GSD is a SIKH and follows what Gobind Singh Ji laid down.

And finally, shall me and you create our own cult? What we will do is take the best of all religions, manipulate them and create a new path?!!!! Think about what your writing before you write it and ANSWER MY QUESTION INSTEAD OF TURNING IT AROUND!!

well,
APR as i said,
replying to you is becoming pain to me,
you can see my email address mentioned in above post.
lets have private discussion,perhaps that would be better.

lets have discussion in peace.

i have all the answers to your questions.
but not in this blog
email me at luvly_manish(at)yahoo.com

Why now do you want to have discussions in private? Can you not answer my one question I asked you? Clearly you understand my answers to your questions and you know deep down they make sense. Sometimes when you are corrected you should be a man and accept it gracefully.

manish (aka mla),

its time for to do your trolling elsewhere.

apr2005 and tara are right. you evade and refuse to answer even a simple question, and you twist other people's comments. you play the bait and switch game. you're a troll for RSSB.

you have done the same sort of thing many times in the past. and your most recent assault is no exception. your comments are long and convoluted and make little or no sense. its tiresome and irritating and stupid. your objective is to be a thorn and harass people who no longer subscribe to the RS cult dogma.

go hang out with the RSSB sangat, where you belong.


quote tAo.
go hang out with the RSSB sangat, where you belong


Mungos: probably even they closed the door also

"But jaimal singh ji choose the path name as radhasoami"
quote mla

Salig Ram started the Radhasoami Faith
and wrote all the original books. Jaimal learned
by attending Salig Ram's satsangs.

The Sikhs only went to Sach Kand and
Salig Ram added 3 more planes in
his new religion.

APR You lost the chance,
now i do not want to discuss anything with your anymore.
Be in illusion world of your own and live life like that.

TaO: no comment for your post(you do not deserve)
Mungoes:as same as above.

Seriousness and anxiety therapy:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xbSqaoyW8ac

Manishkovitch relax a bit.

Perhaps no one needs to be saved because we all are ? :)
If you like RS than just go for it. If you don't than just go for something else. In the end it won't matter much. One path teaches you some meditation, the other teaches you something else. You need all these roads to get a good understanding of the map I suppose.

Just think of this. If all roads lead to the same destination as Gurinder says than where else can this destination be than where you are right now? I mean the shortest road is the zero road and it leads to the same destination as the longest and highest path. Than by logical deduction no road leads us anywhere unless....The road is the destination :)

Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.
~ Voltaire

~Voltaire - I beg to differ.

Nobody can make you believe anything, never mind absurdities.

There is only one person doing the believing and guess who that is?


Marina

Nietz, I liked your post(s)!

Marina

Nietzsche, you've uncovered an excellent point. in fact, I am going to save your entire comment. tnx

Yo Nietzsche a few time back you said you would like to write more like Brian and now you got your own style and is winning over even your nick name. Bravo

One of the most remarkable discoveries
in the history of the world has occurred.
Cold fusion, once debunked, has been proven
beyond a doubt.

Watch the astonishing CBS special on
one of the most mind boggling things
you have ever seen.

It will change the world radically.

http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=4967330n

Why even call it a road then?! Anyway, I know that roads lead all over the place... and the baaad girls are on them having lots of fun! Ask Mungos.

What should he ask me Catherine?

Mungos, your youtube clip offered 20 August taught me this!

Mike, cold fusion appears to be in the pipeline to becoming a msjor solution. Thanks for bringing it to our attention.

Mike, here is one for you.
You may have seen it but anyway I thought it interesting.

There are two video clips when you click on the link below.

The first one[1 minute] is on the 'demolition' of Tower 7
and the second one [7 minutes] is a star trek excerpt about some alien force who has taken over the ship.(NWO) They show very cleverly [inserting clips] how this 'power' starts 'wars' between people and sits back laughing....


http://www.infowars.com/new-footage-of-tower-7-blasted-into-rubble/


Marina

Catherine. You have to fill in the dots :) Where does your road go according to your believe? Is there a reason for you to convert others to your road or to be converted to the road of someone else? Are you saved in the end and is the other not? Is there fear for your soul or the soul of the other? Do you want to have what the other thinks he has like a ticket to heaven?
If you take the point that these roads are just experiences and lessons to discover the territory than there is no need to convert another or to fear for your own future. Wouldn't that be great?
Is it truth? Perhaps not. Perhaps your or mine road is the only right one. Hihi....

Thanks for all the positive comments fellow bloggers! Together we matter! Don't know of anything better to say :( Except maybe to send a little prayer to Amy Winehouse, boy what a voice and what a shame, the world feels a little colder without her, but perhaps cold fusion now gets a chance :)

Hé perhaps living on earth is like being addicted to alcohol. You stop with it for a while and than you want it back. Perhaps living in a body gives a thrill that can be a good or a bad trip but that somehow lingers us back here now and than. Perhaps living without the alcohol is for the more advanced ones that do not seek pleasure above anything else but that gain pleasure from living a meaningful live. Not...???

MLA there you have it. Think everyone agrees that it is you who is confusing things and yet you still cannot answer the one question asked so best you carry on with your life believing your GSD.

Good ridence! Havent got time for illogical people like you.

Posted in the best possible spirit...
Or as Dogribb would say - some brevity.


xkcd


Marina

Ha ha Marina...

Yes, cold fusion is incredible. They send electricity
through palladium in sea water and 25 times more energy
comes out than went in. The pentagon even confirms.

But, why the secret for so long ? The exact mathematics
that cause cold fusion cause antigravity. The nobel prize has
been awarded on antigravity and Boeing is trying to use
it on their jets.

The major discovey has been made in a periodic element
called graphene. 30 times stronger than steel and
conducts electricity near the speed of light as it
has no resistance. IBM, Samsung and Nokia are already
starting to use it.

One guy just invented a gadget that can fill the electricity
on your electic car in 2 minutes, enough to go 500 miles,
using graphene.

http://www.physorg.com/news/2011-08-energy-storage-device-recharge-electric.html

I learn these things because I am a stock investor.
Only public stock on graphine is symbol C V V

Palladium is PALL

Yes, building 7 was "pulled', blown up on 9/11. There is a fireman
on video telling everyone the building was going to be 'pulled' down.
Meaning blown up. Other tapes have very loud explosions just before fall.

CIA, Goldman Sachs, Homeland Security all had offices in building
and the offices of national emergency. Nothing hit building 7

Isreali Masad were caught with two vans full
of explosives and their major satellite center for telecommunications was only
blocks away from twin towers.

Hundreds of people and fireman heard large
numbers of explosions.

Except for the nobel prize part for anti gravity (it is awarded for graphene) I agree with your analyses and thanks for the tip. I was looking for some interesting investment opportunities. I was doing a project on the stock market lately and learned so far that it can not be predicted and I don't want to waste time trying to come up with an algorithm that tries. In fact during my study a professor on chaos theory showed that most probable there is no underlying predictable equation. So that leaves me with the old school thinking, find a company that is undervalued and invest in it.
In fact I believe that graphene might have a future in audio world as it is a conductor with organic friendliness. I've done a lot of investigation in how can sound really reproduce the space that it came from and there is strong suggestion that during the whole process of recording and reproduction there should be no use of human and environment unfriendly chemicals or materials. Somehow the 'life' information does not travel through it. Graphene is based on Carbon and that is a very friendly material. As a tip. Don't buy a camera that smells bad and uses environment unfriendly materials. It will show up in not very sharp not lifelike pictures ;)
Ok now its official I'm crazy :) !

Here Dr. Nakamatsu who clamed the smell a camera hypotheses.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JXT-gKWH2Z8

Hi Nietzsche,

The stock market is rigged and 85% of trades
are computer driven for 1 second or less.
JP Morgan and Goldman Sachs usually report
98% wins.

I believe the fiat currencies of the world
are about to collaspe. So, I am very careful in the stock market.

C V V went up 21% in one day since I mentioned it yesterday. Graphene company.

I am waiting now for gold and silver to back up and re enter.

I recommended gold at
$1470 an oz and it went to $1920 an oz last night where I exited.

$1500 should be good level if it can get there.

The entire capitalist system is about to collaspe in the next few years.

There is only one way to save it.

Abolish the federal reserve bank.

But, Barrack Obama took his largest campaign contributions from the owners
of our federal reserve.

This is going to happen. The mathematics
dictate it.

God help us all.

Once upon a time a man was strolling along the beach one day when he spotted a bottle washed up on the shore..... He went over and picked it up, and noticed a message in the bottle......He popped the cork out and inside was a weathered treasure map indicating that there was buried treasure to be found in the shallow waters below..... But the man thought it was a hoax,
so he slipped the map back in and threw the bottle back into the
ocean.....

A little later, another man was walking along the beach and the bottle had washed upon the shore.... He too picked up the bottle, popped out the cork, and found the treasure map.......

This man, however, was curious enough to wade into the water and hoped it was buried shallow enough to find.... But once the cold ocean waters reached up to his thighs, he decided to quit....."This is not worth it!" he thought to himself.... So he scrambled back to shore and chucked the bottle back into the ocean.....

A third man was walking by the beach and noticed the bottle washed upon the shore.... He went over, opened the bottle and found the map.... The map looked authentic enough, and promised great treasure... So he got himself a small raft and set out into the ocean to claim the treasure....he rowed out far enough into the ocean where the "X" on the map was and to his surprise, he saw the glint of something shining in the waters below....he dove into the ocean and swam towards the shining
object below......

He could see that there was something that looked like a treasure
chest, but he couldn't quite reach it and the deeper he went, the
greater the cold and pressure on his body and his mind....," I am about to lose my breath, and the longer I take, my raft might be swept away!", he thought.... So the man decided to give up the hunt so he would ensure his own life and safety....when he reached the shore once more, he took the bottle from the raft and tossed it back into the ocean.....

Finally, one more man was walking along the beach..... He noticed the bottle, went over, popped it open, and was excited to find a map promising great treasure..... He noticed someone had left a raft by the water's edge, so he took it and paddled out.... He too, got far enough to where the "X" marks the spot, and squinted into the waters and saw the shadow and glint of the treasure below......

He took a deep breath and plunged into the waters.... Like the man before him, the cold, darkness and pressure upon his senses increased as he got closer.... He also realized that if he kept swimming, that he might lose his breath, the raft, and even his own life! But this treasure could be worth all the risk and he persisted.... Just as he was about to give up, he grabbed the long chain that was binding the chest and pulled it up along with himself back to the surface....

He broke the surface of the water gasping and exhausted but with the treasure chest safely in his grasp.... He paddled back to the shore, opened up the treasure chest and found what the map had promised--gold, and precious diamonds and jewels that would make him secure for the rest of his life.....

Moral= A relationship with God is a similar treasure hunt....People hear the same message, but the way they receive it will determine the reward they might find.... Eternal life is waiting for all those who are willing to take that risk to follow God all the way of life, where we find love, forgiveness and life everlasting. ... For eternity.

...He broke the surface of the water gasping and exhausted but with the treasure chest safely in his grasp.... He paddled back to the shore, opened up the treasure chest and found what the map had promised--gold, and precious diamonds and jewels that would make him secure for the rest of his life.....

Was he able to find the treasure without the grace of a PERFECT LIVING MASTER?

Europe earths cry and heavens smile :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hjAHUkIfK24&feature=related

When you come to Strassbourg you might meat her :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aVvqFqITYlY&feature=related

Just some useless entertainment this time..

Well dear Juan,
If at all you keep on finding questions in a post or message,
you will find questions,
and if at all you keep on finding for answers,
you will find answers.
It all depends on your attitude.
And about you doubt,was he able to find the treasure without a Perfect Living master?
well i guess,then who is the one who is conveying this message through this short story of finding the treasure?
And being always subjective and objective will lead you no where.

I have a question please...Why is it that Gurinder Singh avoids media attention? Would it not enhance his following and thus bring more money to his cause? He seems to be very opposed to that kind of publicity and has still managed to amass a great wealth. Do you think he will change this trend and become more public or would this act as a hindrance to him somehow?

"Secrecy is a good way to go, till it busts.
...the Indian Government has a lead on the black money trail through a list of Indian Swiss accounts that have been presented by Rudolf Elmer of Julius Baer."
quote Tara

That's just a conspiracy theory Tara. Satsangis have it on good authority Gurinder's Bently is not air conditioned
below 70 degrees. This proves he saves
money to give to the poor.

To Tara: Thank you so much for taking the time out write such a lenghthy response. It was very useful and I totally see where you are coming from.
Since you have been so helpful; I have a follow up question. When GSD comes to the end of his life do you think he will pass the succesorship over or will he end the lineage of Masters with him and if he does decide to "pay it forward" so to speak; do you think he would pass it to his son? Forgive my ignorance but I would assume that a passing of the "torch" includes the legal aspect of transferring property and assets etc to the new master?

Hi Tara,
Where is info on Rudolf Elmer of Julius Baer
for Gurinder ? Or, maybe someone else here
knows. Thanks

(Conspiracy theory was a joke)

To Tara: Wow...totally insightful...thank you so much..I wonder what it must feel like to be GSD's sons? Sure; the financial aspect sounds like a dream but it must have been hard at school growing up with teachers and students asking "What does your dad do for al living?"
"Mmmm....my dad...well..he's basically God"
I wonder if they believe in the RS Dogma or do they know that it is a work?
I appreciate you taking the time out and having the patience to give me your thoughts which is great because you obviously know more then me(you must have informants)...It occurred to me whilst reading your response.....if GSD does not appoint a successor; I would imagine it could cause some major head turning and potential out cry as the "cosmic law" would have been violated...what would that mean for future devotees? Without a physical master; the allure is certainly not as prominent...nobody would flock to Haynes park to do seva (as most of them do it in the hope to get some darshan from GSD)....
So, correct me if I'm wrong but according to what you wrote; is GSD planning to patch things up with Rajinder Singh group (the RS Guru in Chicago)?

I didn't find GSD progressive when I attended his meetings during a recent visit. The overall impression I got was of a paternalist who felt safe enlarging his hat and beard and although still fairly young, attempted to present himself in a fatherly light. I felt sickened when he said that his white beard resulted from his initiates' behaviour.

Although the sangat I attended was beautifully cared for, I wondered if it was ever put to full use, or much use when he was not visiting.

Some of his answers were even questioned by hard-core satsangis. He even corrected one answer when challenged. Several of the questioners were very vulnerable and I got the impression that his answers were steered towards consolling them only and not towards accuracy.

It is interesting that his sons do not mix with other satsangis and that he initiated his wife himself indicating that she was not a satsangi when she married him. Contrast this with many of the more serious-minded initiates who do not mix socially with people who are not initiates,believing that manmuks could hold them back somehow, or that there is nothing in common.

It is interesting how much Summa Ching Hai,
Gurinder and Rajinder have in common.

Extreme material wealth.

Gurinder's target nowadays seems to be Agra, as there is no Guru in the Dayalbagh Ashram.

Ironically I called golds exact top above.
I mostly blog on financial sites and
sometimes forget this is Radhasoami site.

It did top at $1920 and went right down
to $1520 as I predicted. Here was the
prediction copied from above :


"I am waiting now for gold and silver to back up and re enter.

I recommended gold at $1470 an oz and it went to
$1920 an oz last night where I exited.

$1500 should be good level if it can get there."

Posted by: Mike Williams | August 23, 2011 at 01:49 PM

Actually the best financial call by an
ex Radhasoami member was made on Radhasoami Studies.

Some crazy exsatsangi named Zakk actually
called the crash of the housing market before it happenned.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/radhasoamistudies/message/104627

Mike Williams...you truly are a man of many talents. Is there anything you can't do? I had no idea you dabbled in futures and commodities. Spandau Ballet Gold is officially your new theme tune.
On a different matter; I wanted to know your thoughts, if any, on Edward Snowden i.e. the whistle blower...

Hi 9th Gate,
Yes, I used to sell my systems for
furures trading in full page adds
in both Futures Magazine and Stocks
and Commodities Magazine. The adds were
$9,000 each and I paid Babe Ruth's daughter
$2,000 an add to use his photos of him
hitting home runs. 20 years ago.

Mostly used computerized cyclical analysis based
on a new theory of cycles I discovered.
Many mutual funds and hedge funds use my systems, but I sold the rights to them.

Edward Snowden is a hero. Assange is a hero.
The Federal Reserve Bank and BIS are the two
great evils in the world.

http://thevictoryreport.org/2013/07/08/nwo-suppressed-technology-with-jim-marrs/


I called the bottom in the real estate market Jan of 2012.

I am 80% in real estate now. I just started buying physical gold
on a scale in. $1030 is very key for gold.

It costs $1400 an oz to mine gold now on
an all in basis.

I have a bachelor of science in accounting
and had gone to USC.

Get your money out of banks and stock accounts. Hold physical assets. Keep any cash in your safe at home. I look for a collaspe of the fiat currencies in 5 to 10 years. Japan and Portugal may go first.

Rehypothecation in the City of London (a country) and derivatives will bring the system to its knees.

It's a pleasure to read some of
the good news like John B said
IT WORKS

Yes ....and How , . . but I told that already
google hines+"nice matin" ( a newspaper )


Gurinder is just following orders
and RSSB has never asked for money
and never engaged in publicity in the 50 years that
I am initiated

The rs money seems to come from many VERY SATISFIED satsangies and testaments

Where could be a better guaranty that the money will not be misused after your physical death

God may have decided there was enough of crusifying or roasting on plates
and G is just prepairing
for the fiat monies collapse & climate disasters
buying land and perhaps bitcoin s

Cheers Guys


Wow; honestly Mike; I think you have a book in you. Everybody does but some make better reads than others. Yours I would certainly read.....
Fortunately or unfortunately; I have no money to even protect. I wasted all of my savings on the wrong women and pleasing people.
I hope I have learnt my lesson.

777...that made me grin. Maybe you are right...I have to ask; whose orders is Gurinder following?
Also..I was reading some of your comments regarding your past lives....I am assuming you gained such knowledge through meditation. Did you want to recall your past lives or is it just a pre-requisite of going within?
Moreover; past lives aside....can you share with us any stories of experiencing inner regions or any supernatural-esque abilities you feel you have acquired? Feel free to be as candid as you like.

"I wasted all of my savings on the wrong women"
quote The 9th Gate

I am glad to hear this. For a minute,
I was worried you wasted all your money
on the wrong stocks.

Mike:-That made me chuckle. I needed to hear that. Thanks. Think I am having a quarter life crisis.....do you think people, like me, who get excited with the mere mention of something mystical and want to find something divine and sacred in life are actually just depressed minds that are trying to escape reality because they fell short of their fantasies?
It's probably just a rhetoric yet confronting question I asked myself..

Dear 9th_gate said :

"who get excited with the mere mention of something mystica"

Then you should have each morning a sudden look
to the newest portrait of Gurinder

Myself, it works like high voltage on my forehead**
there is such a terrible giant cleansing innocence in His gaze, . . behind the spectacles

But I think I'm on the wrong forum with this

for info , google
hines+777

I tell just when compelled to tell

I don't know why things specificly

and how IN or AROUND meditation

and Gurinder is right when saying :
( i heard that ) :
Don't do the Dhyan , trying to see things, even the Master
Do the Sound
and yes, . . that is it !!

when the Master shows up, you'r like knock out,
or better in coma, or after taking curare


With Simran we can play around and in the Sound like a violist on his instrument, . . . the whole day, . . . and night

This path is awesome, great and changes each second in heaven
which is a state of mind, . . .
which on it's turn re-creates a plane , a heaven even we can say 'mandatory', solopism-like instant creation
EXACTLY AS WE ARE DOING HERE
( advaita )

THIS IS THE SIGNIFICATION OF THE SAR BACHAN UTTERINGS ABOUT EXISTING REALMS
NOT TO FORGET THE GURU GRANTH giving the realms names,

and the Granth also states also states ( for 9th-gate )

" On seeing my Guru, the Plume of my Headgear shivers "


If people on this planet only knew
that they ALL have this connection

Hi 9th,
It is incredibly difficult to live life without fantasies.

I know i can't.

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Lousy in Math Mike ?

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"Lousy in Math Mike ?"
quote 777

Actually 777, there was a fellow named
Zak on Radhasoami Studies, whom was
incredible with math.

He was a certified savant idiot.
Poor fellow couldn't tie his shoe
laces in the morning without help.

But, at explaining Einsten's Theory
of Relativity, there was no one better.

Zak is a legendary illusive person. For
the first time ever I present him to you
unveiled.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k2T45r5G3kA

Quote Marie Curie (I.Q. 200)
God does not exist

Quote Stephen Hawking
God does not exist

Quote Mike Williams
The self does not exist

quote Zakk:

I am Mike Williams

smitek,

Inncorect quote. Zak never said that.

quote Mike W
Inncorect quote. Zak never said that.

Smitek: Oh he did Gandalf he did.

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