Yesterday a regular visitor to this blog, tucson, left a comment on a post that deserved more attention than it likely was going to get.
(Irritatingly, TypePad, my blog service, doesn't take a click on a "recent comments" link directly to the comment, only to the post; tucson's comment was on an old post with hundreds of comments on multiple pages, so it was hard to find).
Here's what tucson had to say in response to a previous comment by "Neitzsche" that talked about the guru of an Eastern religious organization (RSSB), Gurinder Singh. I thought tucson's advice to Neitzsche was wise. And I even was able to smile at tucson's dig at Obama.
Nietzsche made a few remarks:
N. said: "I read that a satguru does not have to achieve the highest level possible, that makes sense to me but I've read that only a truth master can initiate so there must be a lie somewhere. If the satguru refers to your inner master that makes sense to me too."
--You repeatedly say you have "read" that so and so is true. I suggest relying more on your personal experience, reason, common sense and not on what you read. Does anything that you read about a satguru make sense to you, i.e. the supposed powers he/she has, etc.? What in your personal experience would lead you to rationally conclude that a satguru can do what you "read" about him/her. Would you believe me if I told you, without any evidence to back it up, that I know beings from the planet Venus and travel there with them regularly? I do, you know. What the master claims is far more implausible, imo.
N. said: "Especially because I've had the following experiences:
1-just after my initiation a friend, who is still very psychic, said looking at the foto of Gurinder, this man has no powers judged from the aura."
--I am a little "psychic" at times and once got the same impression about Gurinder, but don't rely on us. What do YOU feel? That's what is important.
N. said: "2-a paranormal gifted person that I consulted years later said when showed the foto's of Gurinder. He is hiding something and he does not want people to figure him out. He also said that he was not a very high person but seeing the second foto commented that he was learning fast."
--How would a person, such as a psychic, know if someone is "high"? How is "high" established? Perhaps the psychic is not "high" enough to recognize how high the master is or isn't. IMO we are all the same. Nothing higher, nothing lower. Bug, cat, human..all equal manifestations in mind or consciousness. The master is the disciple, the disciple is the master. Snake...Barrack Obama. Same thing. (Sorry, had to get in my political dig.)
N. said: "3-a friend that can very good tell what people feel when holding an object of the person held the foto of Gurinder in his hand and said that the person was grumbling that thins did not go like he wanted them to go. Not a saint at all he said."
--Why presume that a saint can't be in a bad mood sometimes? These presumptions are ideas, concepts that you have accumulated about how a supposed realized person might behave. Consider the possibility these concepts may not have anything to do with the truth of the matter, whatever that may be.
N. said: "Especially the last comment hit close home because all people above did know nothing about santmat but I know that Gurinder tends to send sewadars home now and then when things don't go his way and my own observation is that he is not very patient indeed and I have the ability to judge character if I may say so. I just didn't want to see it."
--Well, I don't think that a "realized" person necessarily must behave perfectly according to a relative set of standards. Why should they? Who knows what such a one would do?... Sing Kumbaya all day? Maybe. Throw bananas at gawkers? Maybe. Who knows?
But here you touch on something significant. YOU sensed that Gurinder's character was not very good, yet you try to deny that which was before your very eyes, your own gut feeling, because of what you were told, or read, or the opinion of others about the ways of a master. People like to say that when their guru behaves badly it is only a reflection of their own inner condition or that it was some kind of spiritual lesson, or some kind of karma had to be cleared. Blind belief in this kind of stuff, this kind of thinking, cult mentality, could get you drinking some poison kool-aid one day.
N. said: "And now? Should I go on that he is only pointing at my higher self? Shouldn't he tell the truth to his followers? Are they better of believing? I am treated as outcast now and then by them :("
--He should tell the truth to his followers but that probably would put him out of business. RSSB is a religious cult, imo. People brainwashed by the cult mindset are going to reject that which does not fit nicely into the cult mindset box...namely you. Congratulations, it appears your escape is immanent as evidenced by your statement below.
I feel that you are a nice person, too nice sometimes, and are maybe a little naive (no offense intended). You give too much of your power to others and rely on them too much...psychics, masters, bibles, heresay, scriptures can be tools but the ultimate tool is with you as this which you are, always present. Stand strong within yourself. Listen to your gut and intuition and see what is really true for you.
N said: "The group pressure from the satsangi's I escaped a long time ago. What is wrong with me or my christian roots? And why shouldn't I feel good about me? Why is it so important to all think alike and to be little slaves? I find the group pressure having much resemblance to a cult."
--There. You have answered for yourself and knew it all along, but maybe as a suggestion you should consider applying the same scrutiny to Christian beliefs as well.
It's a little uncomfortable at first but you may have to stand alone facing the vastness of infinity without a guide, without oars for your boat. But don't worry, infinity is the guide. For me, the truth is... there are no oars and infinity takes care of itself.
After tucson posted his comment, I left one of my own in the same distant reaches of a 2005 blog post. Mine contained links to a So You Think You Can Dance hip-hop performance by Alex and Twitch that, to me, conveys some deep truths about the meaning of life -- or the lack thereof.
Here it is (if you watch the video, keep in mind that Alex is a professional ballet dancer):
tucson, great comment. There's a lot of wisdom in what you said. As for me, about all I feel like adding to your sentiments is...
A link to a post on my other blog about a terrific hip-hop dance message: "Get Out of Your Mind!"
And a link to a video of that performance, which I found strangely compelling. If all psychiatrists acted like this, that'd be way cool. Also, all gurus. (A short ad precedes the video.)
Speaking of comments... I've decided to turn on TypePad's "comment moderation" feature. There's been a summer infestation of trolls whose pathetic life seems to consist in large part of leaving infantile insults on this blog, which I have to delete.
Prevention is better than cure/deletion.
With comment moderation, where I approve non-troll comments periodically during the day, this here Church of the Churchless isn't bothered by jerks yelling comment-wise, "Look at me! Look at me! I know how to talk like a foul-mouthed five year old!"
So until a different fancy strikes me, I'm enjoying having comments published after a relatively short delay. As I said before, I've got no interest in having this blog used as a platform for spewing fundamentalist religious nonsense or inane insults.
On the positive side, recently I've gotten some emails from people who appreciate the churchless message of my blog posts and visitor comments. Those comments often are the best part of a post, as evidenced by tucson's thoughts above.