Comments on Religare's money connections with the Radha Soami guruTypePad2010-04-06T21:48:06ZBrian Hineshttps://hinessight.blogs.com/church_of_the_churchless/tag:typepad.com,2003:https://hinessight.blogs.com/church_of_the_churchless/2010/04/the-big-money-surrounding-radha-soami-satsang-beas/comments/atom.xml/Sakshi commented on 'Religare's money connections with the Radha Soami guru'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e20240a5052e0c200b2020-01-27T16:23:41Z2020-01-27T16:23:41ZSakshiYou have no sence please do not use these wrong words about dera Beas and babaji. Many people bilive in...<p>You have no sence please do not use these wrong words about dera Beas and babaji. Many people bilive in baba ji . These forud things are useless for me and other satangies</p>Jesse commented on 'Religare's money connections with the Radha Soami guru'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e2022ad389f83d200d2018-08-17T02:11:08Z2018-08-17T02:11:08ZJesse"How many of u know that rssb organisation has donated 600 crore rupees to the Indian govt for overall development...<p>"How many of u know that rssb organisation has donated 600 crore rupees to the Indian govt for overall development of the country and has kept it hidden without taking any credit.."</p>
<p>Siyona, do tell, if it's a secret then how do you know about it and why are you asking us to give RSSB credit for it, genius? And the Indian gov is massively corrupt at every level. Giving them money sounds more like bribery, not development.</p>
<p>Also, there is no English word "crore" so nobody knows what you're talking about. </p>Siyona commented on 'Religare's money connections with the Radha Soami guru'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e2022ad389f7a5200d2018-08-17T02:00:27Z2018-08-17T02:00:27ZSiyonaHow many of u know that rssb organisation has donated 600 crore rupees to the Indian govt for overall development...<p>How many of u know that rssb organisation has donated 600 crore rupees to the Indian govt for overall development of the country and has kept it hidden without taking any credit.. if I have a friend who is opening a new company I find it worthy I will invest ask my kids too also.. that is basic human nature .. I am earning my own money even donating it to the organisation.. plus the organisation's donates back as it deems fit thru money or thru having Indian largest solar panel or largest garbage recycling unit or rather the only plastic recycling unit in india</p>santhi commented on 'Religare's money connections with the Radha Soami guru'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e201bb09fb4af7970d2018-03-14T04:53:55Z2018-03-14T22:47:25Zsanthihttp://digitalprofitcourse.co.in/Are you taking to your self ? digital profit course<p>Are you taking to your self ?</p>
<p>digital profit course</p>Jen commented on 'Religare's money connections with the Radha Soami guru'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e201b8d2664a9d970c2017-03-02T20:14:44Z2017-03-04T01:19:52ZJenReading through this thread again I can see clearly how "confirmation bias" works. We all like confirmation of our existing...<p>Reading through this thread again I can see clearly how "confirmation bias" works. We all like confirmation of our existing beliefs or theories and we gang up with others who are on the same wavelength. It takes quite some time to change those beliefs. We are so programmed! I have really enjoyed lately watching Scott Adams discussing the Trump phenomenon who speaks about this and other NLP tactics in his videos.</p>Sungo commented on 'Religare's money connections with the Radha Soami guru'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e201bb097f00ac970d2017-03-02T17:16:51Z2017-03-04T01:19:52ZSungoRssb does not steal sand. Samrat stop trolling<p>Rssb does not steal sand. Samrat stop trolling</p>Samrat commented on 'Religare's money connections with the Radha Soami guru'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e201bb097edcf5970d2017-03-02T08:38:19Z2017-03-04T01:19:52ZSamrathttp://hinessight.blogs.com/church_of_the_churchless/2010/04/the-big-money-surrounding-radha-soami-satsang-beas.htmlPlease can anybody tell me whether Revenue Minister of Punjab Bikramjeet singh Majathia is married to predecessor of RSSB Charn...<p>Please can anybody tell me whether Revenue Minister of Punjab Bikramjeet singh Majathia is married to predecessor of RSSB Charn singh grewal's daughter or not. I am a follower of RSSB. I have seen RSSB illegal activities on Beas river' bank when I used to do sewa their. Also RSSB steals Beas river sand illegaly. <br />
If the answer to my question that I requested above in starting lines is for sure yes with any certain proof I will consider this organization fraud and not be a follower anymore. </p>Michael Mukasa commented on 'Religare's money connections with the Radha Soami guru'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e201bb08d2d9c3970d2016-04-04T19:46:53Z2016-04-04T21:14:23ZMichael MukasaThe Master is always Perfect whether inside or outside.My only focus in my struggle will always be realising Him. Beware...<p>The Master is always Perfect whether inside or outside.My only focus in my struggle will always be realising Him. Beware of projecting the weakness of our own minds.Master is Perfect always & for ever, inside or outside.<br />
God bless us.</p>Raman commented on 'Religare's money connections with the Radha Soami guru'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e201b8d1711a9b970c2015-11-04T07:28:22Z2015-11-05T03:30:00ZRamanAs far as I see this situation, in USA it's illegal to do insider trading because government claims tax on...<p>As far as I see this situation, in USA it's illegal to do insider trading because government claims tax on that income. However in India the laws work differently. But on the other hand you didn't provide any information on if they paid taxes on that income or not. Malvinder and shivinder are their relatives, hence it makes sense if they transfer money to gurkirat and his brother. And just to inform you rssb is run by trust and not by gurinder Singh dhillon. He just lives and preaches in the dera.</p>Sunil maurya commented on 'Religare's money connections with the Radha Soami guru'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e201bb087742b0970d2015-09-24T12:29:41Z2015-09-24T19:59:11ZSunil mauryaRadha swami beas has not ..force anybody to donate money in satsung..... But Every institution needs funds to operate its...<p>Radha swami beas has not ..force anybody to donate money in satsung.....</p>
<p>But <br />
Every institution needs funds to operate its activities....<br />
Rssb doing well in spirituality fields just because of current baba g... <br />
Its a purest institution in India..<br />
So pupils of other institution trying to damage the fine purest image of rssb.</p>
<p><br />
From Sunil Maurya <br />
</p>sweaty underarm commented on 'Religare's money connections with the Radha Soami guru'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e201b7c7aa7752970b2015-07-07T10:35:56Z2015-07-08T03:37:34Zsweaty underarm Hema Nvneet..the same..troll<p>Hema Nvneet..the same..troll</p>hema commented on 'Religare's money connections with the Radha Soami guru'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e201bb084e4f8e970d2015-07-06T21:33:35Z2015-07-07T02:53:08ZhemaPlz dearest so called author go n check on the website of religare n fortis I think u r gone...<p>Plz dearest so called author go n check on the website of religare n fortis I think u r gone by ur mind u r totally insane... Stop abusing any spiritual leader without proper proofs if he's a fraud then like other fraud leaders he prove guilty... N moreover baba g never force anyone to do any donation. Plz stop misguiding. U idiot </p>satish Kamboj commented on 'Religare's money connections with the Radha Soami guru'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e201b7c799e1b7970b2015-06-07T06:00:33Z2015-06-08T04:41:14Zsatish Kambojthese are only rumours and one type of mechanism or we can say jelous regarding Dera Radha Soami Satsang Beas...<p>these are only rumours and one type of mechanism or we can say jelous regarding Dera Radha Soami Satsang Beas .when we are unable to do any thing ussually we feel jelous with famous people Baba Is GOd .so it is request avoid such rumours</p>Rana commented on 'Religare's money connections with the Radha Soami guru'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e201b7c712e128970b2014-11-29T14:22:45Z2014-11-30T01:59:41ZRanaThere are so many arrangements that needs to be made for us by him, you might not understand it now....<p>There are so many arrangements that needs to be made for us by him, you might not understand it now. These shares are and will be used by RSSB trust for our welfare in MANY WAYS, money is essential for all this. Don't you guys earn money for your family to feed and shelter them, you need more money if you have more family members. All the Sangat all are his childrens and he knows it better about how to take care of his family.</p>gaurav commented on 'Religare's money connections with the Radha Soami guru'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e201a3fd365a74970b2014-07-21T16:29:57Z2014-07-22T05:28:40Zgauravand if you people dont know then let me tell you that present master himself is quite rich and they...<p>and if you people dont know then let me tell you that present master himself is quite rich and they are zamindars.they even put their money in progress of main centre held in beas.</p>gaurav commented on 'Religare's money connections with the Radha Soami guru'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e201a73df155ef970d2014-07-21T16:27:35Z2014-07-22T05:28:40Zgauravwhen you people dont know all the facts then why you people point out.late Dr.Parvinder was grand son of 2nd...<p>when you people dont know all the facts then why you people point out.late Dr.Parvinder was grand son of 2nd guru of radha soami satsang beas "Hazur Baba Sawan Singh Ji Maharaj".Hazur Baba Sawan Singh Ji Maharaj were grand father of 4th guru of RSSB Maharaj Charan Singh Ji and Maharaj Charan Singh ji were maternal uncle of present master of RSSB Baba Gurinder Singh Ji Dhillon.by this fact all of them are from the same family</p>Rajan Singh commented on 'Religare's money connections with the Radha Soami guru'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e201a511859bb7970c2014-03-15T04:42:40Z2014-03-16T02:42:37ZRajan Singheveryone has separate business than why you people making an additional issue for Religare as well that information all the...<p>everyone has separate business than why you people making an additional issue for Religare as well that information all the dera followers know is it clear everyone..dera trust is non-profit trust.</p>
<p> </p>Shakaal commented on 'Religare's money connections with the Radha Soami guru'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e2019b021d6ad2970b2013-12-04T09:27:46Z2013-12-04T18:23:11ZShakaalLooks like you want to bring RSSB down by any means, what is the issue if someone is wealthy, have...<p>Looks like you want to bring RSSB down by any means, what is the issue if someone is wealthy, have you seen the history of Ranbaxy before pointing figures to Malvinder Singh & his brother, You guys are talking about insider trading bla bla...you guys are becoming justice and passing your judgment, if you have so much of issues why are you just talking and doing chit chat here..make some efforts to prove yourself rather than writing blogs here...Do you guys know the history of Babaji & his family background before pointing figures on him...Do you know the meaning of Rich background, it looks like you have just got a Religare point and making it best to bring RSSB down & i pity on those who are believing you...</p>
<p>May be Religare part was one transaction, Babaji is the Guru but that does not mean his family can do nothing and sit ideal (As acc. to you, well then you will say Guru’s family is doing nothing and depending on Sangats money), His family is not entitled to answer you for what they are doing, You are just looking at one scenario, have you understand what was the reason behind that…(you will understand that only if you look beyond $$$$$)...</p>
<p>For all the other readers:<br />
If you will search on internet you will find the same kind of blogs spread across multiple sites, the source for these looks likes to be same either an organization or and individual who is just jealous of RSSB and got some personal issues…</p>
<p>Even though I dnt like commenting on such things and these blogs are not worth enough to explain the positive side of my Guru….. <br />
As said by Jesus.. “Father, forgive them, for they don’t know what they’re doing.”<br />
</p>Robert Searle commented on 'Religare's money connections with the Radha Soami guru'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e2017743d46db5970d2012-08-01T10:48:24Z2012-08-01T16:58:53ZRobert SearleAnybody want to make a donation...?!! http://www.charitiestrust.org/charities/radha_soami_satsang_beas_british_isle/index.html<p><br />
Anybody want to make a donation...?!!</p>
<p><a href="http://www.charitiestrust.org/charities/radha_soami_satsang_beas_british_isle/index.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.charitiestrust.org/charities/radha_soami_satsang_beas_british_isle/index.html</a></p>Seeker2011 commented on 'Religare's money connections with the Radha Soami guru'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e20162fca906b6970d2011-11-20T20:35:13Z2011-11-20T23:33:56ZSeeker2011ha ha ha<p>ha ha ha</p>Moongoes commented on 'Religare's money connections with the Radha Soami guru'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e201539351be10970b2011-11-20T16:56:19Z2011-11-20T19:29:23ZMoongoesSeeker2011 what is funny, sharanjit singh only wanted to say hello to everybody with RS gesture. So no big a...<p>Seeker2011 what is funny, sharanjit singh only wanted to say hello to everybody with RS gesture. So no big a deal.</p>Seeker2011 commented on 'Religare's money connections with the Radha Soami guru'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e201539350b4d9970b2011-11-20T14:43:21Z2011-11-20T19:29:23ZSeeker2011ha ha ha ... Messrs Shananjit Singh ... do you also 'hear' God laughing at just how funny that sounds...<p>ha ha ha ... Messrs Shananjit Singh ... do you also 'hear' God laughing at just how funny that sounds from 'His' perspective?</p>sharanjit singh commented on 'Religare's money connections with the Radha Soami guru'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e20154370479f2970c2011-11-17T18:27:26Z2011-11-17T20:40:25Zsharanjit singhRadha Swami Ji to all of you.<p>Radha Swami Ji to all of you. </p>Moongoes commented on 'Religare's money connections with the Radha Soami guru'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e20162fc402d24970d2011-11-09T16:01:45Z2011-11-09T18:11:33ZMoongoesharbat: ( example- You can not please your one better half ) there is argument on both side Moongoes: Oh...<p>harbat: ( example- You can not please your one better<br />
half ) there is argument on both side</p>
<p><br />
Moongoes: Oh yes i can, she just ate a piece of nice homemade seitan by me, and in the evening uf you never know...</p>
<p>harbat_ yes, critic are the BEST <br />
friend we can keep</p>
<p>Moongoes: Said by Charan</p>
<p>harbat: so my humble request is that we can do it<br />
now and look for the right path to the finally destination , if<br />
we believe in it.</p>
<p>Moongoe: Yes final destination, New York, Europe maybe some concert like Hiromi....otherwise no thanks i am content with where i am thanks,moongoes</p>harbat commented on 'Religare's money connections with the Radha Soami guru'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e2015436ba05ef970c2011-11-08T22:12:03Z2011-11-09T03:40:12ZharbatDear Moon goes , You are quit a bit write about it, it also goes for all the same. No...<p>Dear Moon goes ,<br />
You are quit a bit write about it, it also goes for all the same.<br />
No matter what and how you say, you Simply can't please all<br />
and every body. ( example- You can not please your one better<br />
half ) there is argument on both side, yes, critic are the BEST <br />
friend we can keep, Said by Saint KABIR.</p>
<p>Mostly after Saints are Gone , Only than we believe in them,<br />
But they are gone, and than we follow there teaching our way<br />
what suite us best. so my humble request is that we can do it<br />
now and look for the right path to the finally destination , if<br />
we believe in it.</p>Moongoes commented on 'Religare's money connections with the Radha Soami guru'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e2015436571af9970c2011-10-23T01:56:25Z2011-10-23T17:48:02ZMoongoesG: All these people that criticize RS don't know anything, they have been on the path for a bit of...<p>G: All these people that criticize RS don't know anything, they have been on the path for a bit of time and expect miracles to happen.</p>
<p>Moongoes:<br />
I think that for many of older people here who are meditating for more than 30 years or at least they told us so (like tAo, Brian…) is not a short period and to say that they don't know anything is really not quite on the track, they do know and they should get some respect. I am more worried for people who cannot hold a constructional critic, can't you realize that critic will help you construct your self as much as your 'master'. Drop your feelings and emotions for a second and try to accept the critic it will help to balance your faith cause everybody has faith, just critic can turn your blind faith into real understanding. </p>
<p>G: It doesn't work like that</p>
<p>Moongoes: It can work like that</p>
<p>G: These are actual people, face to face I have spoken to, and not read from in RS books.</p>
<p>Moongoes: Why does it matter if someone tells you something or if you read in the book both can be lies or both can be truth</p>
<p>G: Her husband told my parents that at the time of her death maharajii and baba ji collected her.</p>
<p>Moongoes: This is hard to understand was he there , were you there you cannot know that is a fact.</p>
<p>G: I have heard from real people, the fact is to get to the higher stages it takes many years.</p>
<p>Moongoes.: Not true you can be there in a second. At what places you wanna go are you not happy with where you are at and… there are no places only you where you are and when you become happy with where you are at you will realize you are already there.</p>
<p>G: Also there is this women who attends HP every week, every time I go there she is there, she said once baba ji appeared in her home and spoke to her about the teachings and gave her the address of hp.</p>
<p>Moongoes: She goes to HP everyweek and than she needs Baba Ji to give here the address…gosh you are funny you can tell her she can look into address book or online if she ever need some address again.(jk)</p>
<p>G: To all you RS out there please don't come on these forums, seek the truth from real people, e.g. go to seva and seek the truth from real people who have had real experiences. The internet is full of crap, full of negative people who blame RS for their failures/insecurities in life.</p>
<p>Moongoes: I must remind you that you are on the internet and on these forum salso so first you must set an example than you can advice, otherwise you are battling with yourself.</p>
<p>G. JUST MOVE ON AND DON'T POST NEGATIVE CRAP</p>
<p>Moongoes: This is an example of bad mothing but owner of this blog is honest and is not bad mouthing and just sets out constructional critic which is not harmful. Just try to understand and you will be at peace.</p>
<p>G: I don't care what other people say about the path, if they were true humans they wouldn't bad mouth the path so much.</p>
<p>Moongoes : The fact is that we are humans bad mouthing or not.-i wish you PEACE<br />
</p>g commented on 'Religare's money connections with the Radha Soami guru'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e20162fbd6d640970d2011-10-22T17:57:08Z2011-10-23T00:02:50ZgAll these people that criticize RS don't know anything, they have been on the path for a bit of time...<p>All these people that criticize RS don't know anything, they have been on the path for a bit of time and expect miracles to happen. It doesn't work like that, I know lots of people that are on the path and have reached the highest levels. These are actual people, face to face I have spoken to, and not read from in RS books. My parents go to seva at HP and one women who was a devotee for 40+plus years died recently. Her husband told my parents that at the time of her death maharajii and baba ji collected her. He said he never saw his wife so happy when she was dying. There are lots more stories I have heard from real people, the fact is to get to the higher stages it takes many years. We have lived so many lives and created so many sins, it takes years to gain the inner peace. Also there is this women who attends HP every week, every time I go there she is there, she said once baba ji appeared in her home and spoke to her about the teachings and gave her the address of hp. She has also spoken about some positive inner experiences.</p>
<p>To all you RS out there please don't come on these forums, seek the truth from real people, e.g. go to seva and seek the truth from real people who have had real experiences. The internet is full of crap, full of negative people who blame RS for their failures/insecurities in life. </p>
<p>I myself have suffered lots of problems in life, and my master has always been there for me. Everytime i listen to satsangs, read books, get my masters darshan I feel peaceful, i feel the inner pull. I used to attend gurdwaras before, read their books and never really feeled the pull inside. But you don't see me bad mouthing Sikhism, i STILL RESPECT IT,it is wrong to bad mouth any faith, if things didn't workout well for you JUST MOVE ON AND DON'T POST NEGATIVE CRAP. I don't care what other people say about the path, if they were true humans they wouldn't bad mouth the path so much.<br />
</p>harneet commented on 'Religare's money connections with the Radha Soami guru'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e2015435d651ff970c2011-10-02T07:40:27Z2011-10-02T21:41:20Zharneetso baba gurinder singh invested in his nephews company. what is wrong with that.he belongs to a well to do...<p>so baba gurinder singh invested in his nephews company. what is wrong with that.he belongs to a well to do family.in india parents leave their wealth to their children.he will give to his kids like his father gave to him.<br />
i am not a satsangi,but have been to the dera in beas and was highly impressed.the philosophy is for those who want to follow it.followers are not supposed to give up their religion but only supposed to adopt a few more principles.there are no forced donations or any rituals.the guru is a 'guide' and not God or even godman.he is a guru for those who need him.no one is forced to follow.i really dont understand why people are so critical and intolerant towards someone who satisfies the needs of lakhs of people by just being there.what is wrong with the letter he has written to the satsangis in japan.he is just propogating the virtue of fortitude and forbearance in the face of adversity.money is not the only solution to the worlds problems.human beings are not one dimensional.they need emotional and spiritual succor as well.</p>PB commented on 'Religare's money connections with the Radha Soami guru'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e20153910f1878970b2011-08-28T01:46:16Z2011-08-28T03:48:36ZPBBrian, I think you are fair when you say everyone should interpret what you present however one may want. But...<p>Brian, I think you are fair when you say everyone should interpret what you present however one may want. But at the same time I sense a little bias towards linking RSSB with Religare. I have read the comments by some of the posters here, and they seem to be very sure of what they're talking about. But it's all subjective. I could take these arguments to "prove" there is a connection. And I could take the same to argue there isn't one. Conclusion: I'm left where I started, but I see a lot of people wasting a lot of energy arguing over these things.</p>
<p>There are a couple of good posts where someone said something smart that challenged the usefulness of all this info. And I sensed you became defensive and quickly reacted so that the discussion would not be ended, but could continue in the original terms. It showed me your intentions, just to have people discuss pointlessly to get confused. A lot of info, but nothing to base facts on.</p>
<p>What did we learn?</p>Marina commented on 'Religare's money connections with the Radha Soami guru'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e2014e8affa9b3970d2011-08-27T15:46:02Z2011-08-27T16:44:04ZMarinaWHO is there to be possessed? WHO is there to be harassed on the blog? Mike, who is the YOU...<p>WHO is there to be possessed? <br />
WHO is there to be harassed on the blog?</p>
<p><br />
Mike, who is the YOU who felt harrassed by some of my comments on the blog? </p>
<p><br />
There is either somebody there or not.</p>
<p><br />
You can't dig with both feet! [using a shovel]</p>
<p><br />
Marina</p>Mike Williams commented on 'Religare's money connections with the Radha Soami guru'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e2014e8aff0685970d2011-08-27T13:38:28Z2011-08-27T16:44:04ZMike WilliamsThe Gordian Knot was not untied, it was sliced through by a sword. All at once. The mind cannot be...<p>The Gordian Knot was not untied,<br />
it was sliced through by a sword.</p>
<p>All at once.</p>
<p>The mind cannot be unraveled little<br />
by little. Any force used, reinforces<br />
the idea one is fighting a real self.</p>
<p>One simply whitewashes the self<br />
and sublimates its stature.</p>
<p>But, all the hate and anger of<br />
the mind is repressed.</p>
<p>Only by seeing directly, can one<br />
realize the self does not exist.</p>
<p>Does one use a cannon to remove the<br />
self, or does one chase the self<br />
away with a broomstick ?</p>
<p>One is either totally THERE, or<br />
one is totally not there.</p>
<p>There are no midpoints.</p>
<p>Can you find the WHO, that is thinking<br />
YOUR thoughts ?</p>Mike Williams commented on 'Religare's money connections with the Radha Soami guru'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e20153910b6cc7970b2011-08-27T13:17:41Z2011-08-27T16:44:04ZMike Williams"An awareness at times of being "possessed". quote Searle Stillness of the mind is useless and temporal. See through the...<p>"An awareness at times of being "possessed".<br />
quote Searle</p>
<p>Stillness of the mind is useless and temporal.</p>
<p>See through the illusion of the self<br />
and it matters not how fast the mind travels.</p>
<p>The self can only produce action<br />
when it is believed in.</p>
<p>Possession does indeed exist. Especially<br />
in the Kirpal based groups.</p>
<p>There are other groups where possession <br />
is the end goal, such as the Masons.</p>
<p>The Masons worship Lucifer by name.</p>
<p>But, Radhasoamis are unaware of what they<br />
are possessed by, tinking it to<br />
be a positive power.</p>
<p>Compare the power of Ramana Maharshi to<br />
the possession of a Radhasoami.</p>
<p>The gradual progression into reality is a delusion. It is always instant.</p>mla commented on 'Religare's money connections with the Radha Soami guru'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e2015434ddad2d970c2011-08-27T08:47:11Z2011-08-27T16:44:04Zmlahttp://profile.typepad.com/6p010536d4726f970cTao You much older than,only in terms of age,but not in wisdom, hmm i doubt your maturity, and i do...<p>Tao You much older than,only in terms of age,but not in wisdom,<br />
hmm i doubt your maturity,<br />
and i do not know your experience,hence do not understand it.</p>
<p>Radiant form is a myth for you,<br />
but not for me.</p>
<p>and who said grace is for you,grace is only for who receives it,but not for who rejects it.</p>
<p>but through few of your post it seems like your hare krishna lover.</p>
<p>as per your understanding,you can never worship.as you do not have that sort of understanding.</p>
<p>the projection can also your own reflection.</p>
<p>You are always dependent like anyother,no matter if you accept it or not,but you are always dependent.</p>
<p>a person who says ego is a good thing,call himself mature,experienced..a complete contradiction in your own messages.</p>
<p>you do not hear neither see better than others,perhaps here you are too weak.</p>
<p>yes for you there is no master.bad luck.</p>
<p>what you had is ,may be an experience,but not inner experience.</p>
<p>You can not have inner experience,the way you have understood and the way you are following,without much maturity,understanding and without much knowledge,<br />
everytime posting here,that i have more knowledge,more experience would not suffice the purpose neither will change the truth.<br />
You still has a long way to go,untill that time,have your wine,whisky,meat and hot babes.<br />
yes for you there is no use of living master,<br />
but not for everyone.</p>
<p>i m not haunted tao,its you.</p>tAo commented on 'Religare's money connections with the Radha Soami guru'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e2015391099d70970b2011-08-27T06:47:25Z2011-08-27T16:44:04ZtAoMLA, i am much older and much more mature and experienced than you. your so-called "radiant form" is a myth....<p>MLA,</p>
<p>i am much older and much more mature and experienced than you. </p>
<p>your so-called "radiant form" is a myth.</p>
<p>i have no need for "grace". that is an illusion.</p>
<p>i do not "chant hare rama hare krishna".</p>
<p>i am not into any sort of worship.</p>
<p>the ego, hatred, and stupidity that you see, is nothing but a projection of your own ego, hatred, and stupidity.</p>
<p>i am not "dependant" on any others. and ego is actually a good thing.</p>
<p>i see and hear better than most.</p>
<p>i don't need to "find the way", since the way is inclusive of all things.</p>
<p>i don't "blame the master", because there is no master.</p>
<p>i don't need to "follow the path".</p>
<p>i have had far more "inner experience" than you know.</p>
<p>i never "chant hare krishna krishna krishna"</p>
<p>i am not into demi gods, nor am i a lover of idols.</p>
<p>i also have no use for supposed "living masters".</p>
<p>you are haunted by the dead. </p>mla commented on 'Religare's money connections with the Radha Soami guru'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e2014e8afcde29970d2011-08-27T05:48:56Z2011-08-27T16:44:04Zmlahttp://profile.typepad.com/6p010536d4726f970cTao you will never grow up, but then its natural and ordinary, well it doesn't mean that if you are...<p>Tao you will never grow up,<br />
but then its natural and ordinary,<br />
well it doesn't mean that if you are not able to see radiant form inside, it doesn't exist,<br />
if you are not bestowed with his grace,doesn't mean that no one else has been bestowed with his grace,<br />
I now understand you,<br />
you are a sick,who chant hare rama hare krishna,<br />
you are so much into illusionary worship,<br />
anyways,with my past experience with you,<br />
i have come to know you,that you are just full of EGO,hatred and lot of stupidity.</p>
<p>ok you no need master,<br />
well there was a quote which said,<br />
you need to two to come in this world,<br />
and four to move out of this world,<br />
you are always dependant,so drop you ego.</p>
<p>Master shows the way,and if a blind and deaf person like you,couldnt find the way,do not blame the master,</p>
<p>if you are not happy with your life,you cannot blame your parents,</p>
<p>like that if you are not able to follow the path,<br />
you cannot blame the master.<br />
May be inner experience may not work for me,<br />
but then it work for many many other,</p>
<p>but then you keep on chanting,<br />
hare krishna krishna krishna...<br />
its a normal phenomena,demi god and idol lovers never like the reality of living masters,<br />
because you people haunt over the dead ones.</p>tAo commented on 'Religare's money connections with the Radha Soami guru'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e2014e8afa62f4970d2011-08-26T21:13:25Z2011-08-27T03:17:30ZtAomla wrote: "the question a disciple might ask is, "Where am I waiting? Where can I find the Love that...<p>mla wrote: "the question a disciple might ask is, "Where am I waiting? Where can I find the Love that will set me free?" </p>
<p>(a) i am not a "disciple".<br />
(b) i am not "waiting".<br />
(c) i don't need to "find the love"<br />
(d) and i don't need to be "set free".</p>
<p>mla wrote: "For a follower of the path of the saints"</p>
<p>-- i'm not "a follower of the path of the saints".</p>
<p>mla wrote: "the answer is simple."</p>
<p>-- i'm not looking for any "answer".</p>
<p>mla wrote: "Love, hope and truth lie at the eye centre."</p>
<p>-- no, not for me.</p>
<p>mla wrote: "That is where the Master will appear."</p>
<p>-- only a slave needs a master. a sovereign man or woman has no master.</p>
<p>mla wrote: "That is where the master has asked us to wait for him"</p>
<p>-- the "master" idea is a lie. only weak-minded fools wait and bow to this "master" lie.</p>
<p>"to wait gladly, contentedly and with faith."</p>
<p>-- don't waste your life waiting for a lie.</p>
<p>mla wrote: "We are to do our meditation gladly"</p>
<p>-- the people of the earth are waking up. they don't want these lies and false beliefs anymore.</p>
<p>mla wrote: "we must trust in His mercy."</p>
<p>-- the age of blind "trust" is over. people are not buying that belief in lies anymore. the deceptions are becoming exposed. and they will continue to disintegrate and crumble. there is no "mercy" from liars and frauds. only a fool hopes for "mercy".</p>
<p>mla wrote: "our total reliance on the Master's grace."</p>
<p>-- your so-called "master" is a total lie and a fraud... and a despicable elitist vampire who sucks off the sweat and blood of the poor and the gullible.</p>
<p></p>
<p><br />
</p>mla commented on 'Religare's money connections with the Radha Soami guru'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e2014e8af8aedc970d2011-08-26T16:05:16Z2011-08-27T03:17:30Zmlahttp://profile.typepad.com/6p010536d4726f970cThis is especially for TARA,though she will reject it and will respond back in TAO's tone, But then it doesn't...<p>This is especially for TARA,though she will reject it and will respond back in TAO's tone,<br />
But then it doesn't matter to me at all.</p>
<p>The following is a true story about a japanese dog named Hachicko. Hachiko lived in Tokyo in the 1930's .He was owned by a professor Ueno, who caught the train every morning to go to the University. Every afternoon, Hachiko would be on the Shibuyu train platform waiting for his master to return. And this went on for many years. Only, one day, the professor suffered a stroke at the university and died instantly. He didn't return on the train. The professor's house was sold, and Hachiko was taken to a new home to live with a new family. But every afternoon Hachiko would find his way to the old railway platform, and there he waited for his master - every day, every afternoon, for ten years. At first, young boys would laugh and taunt the dog, but Hachicko remained steadfast. Later, people would bring him food. But he never abondoned his post. When his master would not appear, he would walk off alone. But the next day, he was patiently waiting again. They say that passers-by would burst into tears seeing his devotion, his faithfulness and his loyalty. One day he was found dead at the Shibuyu Station. He died waiting for his master.<br />
If dogs can have this focus, this steadfastness, then the question a disciple might ask is, "Where am I waiting? Where can I find the Love that will set me free?" For a follower of the path of the saints, the answer is simple. Love, hope and truth lie at the eye centre. That is where the Master will appear. That is where the master has asked us to wait for him: to wait gladly, contentedly and with faith.<br />
This spiritual practice will require our courage, our persistence and an open heart. We are to do our meditation gladly, steadfastly and with all the courage we can muster. Still, that will not be sufficient. In the end we must trust in His mercy. At last, we will know our true condition and our total reliance on the Master's grace.</p>Roman Jake long. commented on 'Religare's money connections with the Radha Soami guru'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e2014e8af754b2970d2011-08-26T12:06:12Z2011-08-27T03:17:30ZRoman Jake long.I have no idea what exactly is going on here. But yeah from the initial posts i could find out...<p>I have no idea what exactly is going on here. But yeah from the initial posts i could find out that the post is against the DHILLON family and its share in RELIGARE. <br />
So for your kindest of information, SPIRITUALITY in itself is considered as the greatest charity on earth. So they completely deserve what they have.</p>
<p><br />
A post from a 16 yr old**</p>sx commented on 'Religare's money connections with the Radha Soami guru'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e20147e334650f970b2011-03-14T14:57:56Z2011-03-14T17:57:20Zsxnon sense post!<p>non sense post!</p>DAS SA commented on 'Religare's money connections with the Radha Soami guru'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e2014e5f51baa7970c2011-02-19T09:01:38Z2011-02-19T19:12:26ZDAS SAby this what is to be assumed there is no 'GOD'<p>by this what is to be assumed there is no 'GOD' </p>Robert Searle commented on 'Religare's money connections with the Radha Soami guru'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e2014e86268786970d2011-02-18T09:17:53Z2011-02-18T15:02:46ZRobert SearleApologies!!I confused Donny Kelly with Mrs Wood!! I do not always read posts properly.<p><br />
Apologies!!I confused Donny Kelly with Mrs Wood!! I do not always read posts properly.</p>jon weiss commented on 'Religare's money connections with the Radha Soami guru'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e2014e5f489100970c2011-02-17T19:18:09Z2011-02-17T19:46:34Zjon weissGreetings Das Sa: Having been to India many times I feel I can with confidence state that Indian and Western...<p> Greetings Das Sa:</p>
<p>Having been to India many times I feel I can with confidence state that Indian and Western folks employ different styles of communication. </p>
<p>For example, take the word "truth". In the West that word summons up the image of maybe Einstein with a piece of chalk standing in front of a blackboard doing calculations, or maybe scientists in lab coats running diagnostic tests to discover the truth. In matters of Spirituality the Western notion of "truth" becomes almost inapplicable, because truth is seen as an objective thing that is falsifiable, not a subjective experience that is NOT falsifiable. Nor do stories (anecdotes) qualify. Stories can be suggestive of truth, but not conclusive, not evidence.</p>
<p>In India such hard distinctions are not (conversationally) employed! India, bless her heart, is more fee-flowing and devotional; Spiritual *truth* is saddled inside the heart of India rather than outside in a mathematical formula.</p>
<p>Again, stories, in the West, are not taken as "evidence" of anything....some are only suggestive of some possibility.</p>DAS SA commented on 'Religare's money connections with the Radha Soami guru'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e2014e8621d398970d2011-02-17T13:39:00Z2011-02-17T17:05:14ZDAS SADear TAo its good to see your answer. But my dear brother before making a statement please check where i...<p>Dear TAo<br />
its good to see your answer. But my dear brother before making a statement please check where i mentioned your name after that line its written that i have questions for you.. Any ways there is no point that we point out each others grammar mistakes. But it seems its a one sided opinion blog you people are not ready to accept what i tried to say .. as far as my experiences are concerned they were very much true and Brother do not make your blog biased . We should take this to a healthy discussion. </p>
<p>Regards</p>Robert Searle commented on 'Religare's money connections with the Radha Soami guru'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e20147e2a1cfce970b2011-02-17T11:22:46Z2011-02-17T17:05:14ZRobert SearleIncidently, in connection with Mrs. Wood... her husband was called Ron, or Ronald Wood...She also wrote a book entitled In...<p><br />
Incidently, in connection with Mrs. Wood... her husband was called Ron, or Ronald Wood...She also wrote a book entitled In Search of the Way which included her meeting, and initiation with Sawan Singh.</p>Robert Searle commented on 'Religare's money connections with the Radha Soami guru'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e2014e5f46ab93970c2011-02-17T11:12:01Z2011-02-17T17:05:14ZRobert Searle"Mike Williams" I am not sure if we are talking about the same Mrs Wood. The Mrs Wood I knew...<p>"Mike Williams"</p>
<p> I am not sure if we are talking about the same Mrs Wood. The Mrs Wood I knew was Flora Wood, or Chip as she was commonly called by Beas Satsangis. She was the Representative of the UK for many years.</p>
<p>However, I do remember her telling me that Kirpal Singh "..wanted the dera". </p>Mike Williams commented on 'Religare's money connections with the Radha Soami guru'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e20147e2a0670d970b2011-02-17T04:21:18Z2011-02-17T08:13:03ZMike WilliamsRe: Mrs. Wood(advanced disciple of Sawan) I once met Donny Kelly and her husband Charles. Donna was an 'advanced' disciple...<p>Re: Mrs. Wood(advanced disciple of Sawan)</p>
<p>I once met Donny Kelly and her husband Charles.<br />
Donna was an 'advanced' disciple of Sawan.<br />
The whole 9 yards internally.</p>
<p>Kirpal would visit her here in the USA.</p>
<p>I gave a letter to Charles to give to her<br />
when Ajaib Singh was visiting her in advanced age.</p>
<p>She responded by saying she did not know if<br />
Thakar Singh, Ajaib Singh, or Darshan Singh<br />
were successors to Kirpal, or if they all<br />
were.</p>
<p>Regarded as the most advanced living disciple of Sawan, even by Kirpal, she did not know who the real master was.</p>
<p>She said basically we mere mortals have no way of knowing.</p>
<p>I passed this letter to David Lane about 15 years ago.</p>
<p>People don't know it, but her husband Charles was an Agra initiate and I once saw his photo in one of Maheswari's books.</p>tAo commented on 'Religare's money connections with the Radha Soami guru'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e20147e29f42ea970b2011-02-16T23:55:23Z2011-02-17T04:10:47ZtAoDAS SA, in as much as you mentioned my name in the comment you posted on Jan. 21 at 07:12...<p>DAS SA,</p>
<p>in as much as you mentioned my name in the comment you posted on Jan. 21 at 07:12 am, i will say this: i checked over your entire comment, and there was not one single question mark (?) therein. fyi, if you were/are asking a question, then you would be wise to use proper punctuation marks. otherwise, how is anyone to know that you are asking a question??</p>
<p>you did say this: </p>
<p>"what are these things and not just one there are many similar stories ... How these things happens just i want to ask all of you as you people have such a good knowledge about santmat."</p>
<p>-- well how would i know what your stories mean?? and i have no idea as to whether or not they are actually true. and even if those people had those experiences, how are we to know that they were not imaginary?? humans imagine all sorts of things that are not what they appear to be.</p>
<p>"just explain why i get some of my happenings in advance and babaji is used to come in my dreams and whatever is guided by him gets true."</p>
<p>-- the mind and the imagination manifests in all sorts of ways. but who is to say that there any coincidence.</p>
<p>"Why my mother got a dream of Maharaj Charan Singh ji that wait for initiation and i was born."</p>
<p>-- how would i know what your mother dreamed, or what that has to do with anything else??</p>
<p>"How these things just accidently or incidently happened in my life"</p>
<p>-- they just happened. shit happens. and it doesn't necessarily indicate anything profound.</p>
<p>"i will share more personal incidents so that i can also feel the same as u people are feeling."</p>
<p>-- why do you want to feel what others are feeling?? why don't you just be yourself, and think (and feel) for your own self. who cares what other people feel? don't follow after other people... be yourself. don't try to be like other people. thats a mistake.<br />
</p>DAS SA commented on 'Religare's money connections with the Radha Soami guru'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e20147e29de480970b2011-02-16T18:30:27Z2011-02-16T19:38:27ZDAS SAthen why there is no reply about my question which i posted on January 21, 2011 at 07:12 AM<p>then why there is no reply about my question which i posted on January 21, 2011 at 07:12 AM</p>Blogger Brian commented on 'Religare's money connections with the Radha Soami guru'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e2014e8607f43e970d2011-02-12T16:21:29Z2011-02-12T18:26:45ZBlogger Brianhttp://www.hinesblog.comDAS SA, all is normal on this blog. I'm alive and blogging, and the blog is up and running. Comments...<p>DAS SA, all is normal on this blog. I'm alive and blogging, and the blog is up and running. </p>
<p>Comments on posts aren't highly related to blog visitors. This here Church of the Churchless averages about 700 page views a day, quite consistently, though traffic goes up and down.. Some days there are more comments, some days less. That's life: change.</p>DAS SA commented on 'Religare's money connections with the Radha Soami guru'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e20147e2871591970b2011-02-12T08:45:43Z2011-02-12T16:18:26ZDAS SAi'm surprised there is no reply after so many days, what happened, are there no frequent visitors now? or the...<p>i'm surprised there is no reply after so many days, what happened, are there no frequent visitors now? or the blog has been shut down</p>DAS SA commented on 'Religare's money connections with the Radha Soami guru'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e20147e1d07f41970b2011-01-21T15:12:44Z2011-01-21T15:48:36ZDAS SAHello all First of all i will appreciate u people that u all have devoted so much time in gathering...<p>Hello all <br />
First of all i will appreciate u people that u all have devoted so much time in gathering all the information and yes undoubtedly you are doing great job as to show the right thing and Tara especially you are doing marvelous effort and Brian Tao & Robert thumbs up man. But i am having certain questions for you people.</p>
<p>on the material front you people are stating absolutely good but what about those experiences which we people have in meditation its not good i am sharing with you on net but because these things are going worse so i'm sharing . As my close uncle who was about to die and was initiated by Maharaj Charan Singh Ji he told that my master has come and i'm leaving he just died after saying this. My Another uncle who told us the exact time when he was dying as He told me personally that " Okay son the time has come and i will be leaving by 7 in morning " and surprisingly he just passed exactly at 7 AM. Another one my close friend's father got an heart attack and when he was taking his father to hospital in his car he said to him " SON I'M LEAVING BABAJI IS HERE " what are these things and not just one there are many similar stories ... How these things happens just i want to ask all of you as you people have such a good knowledge about santmat. Just forget for others just explain why i get some of my happenings in advance and babaji is used to come in my dreams and whatever is guided by him gets true. Why my mother got a dream of Maharaj Charan Singh ji that wait for initiation and i was born . Mother got a dream that she is vising to a new place and we got a new home to LIVE. How these things just accidently or incidently happened in my life ,,, i dont know but you people are right at your own place waiting for your comments and i will share more personal incidents so that i can also feel the same as u people are feeling..</p>
<p>Regards<br />
Radha Soami</p>kapoor commented on 'Religare's money connections with the Radha Soami guru'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e20148c7c58673970c2011-01-19T11:37:54Z2011-01-19T17:28:31Zkapooryes please<p>yes please</p>sanatan panthi commented on 'Religare's money connections with the Radha Soami guru'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e20148c7c58474970c2011-01-19T11:36:01Z2011-01-19T17:28:31Zsanatan panthiMr. Blue sky please can u find the difference between RSSB Gurus and Hon'ble Sikh Gurus. Does RSSB allows people...<p>Mr. Blue sky please can u find the difference between RSSB Gurus and Hon'ble Sikh Gurus. Does RSSB allows people to go to Gurudwaras or temples to the persons go to Beas?. U cant state of other beliefs whereas RSSB criticise badly to Sanatan Parampara wihtout having its knowledge. U can see there.</p>Nietzsche commented on 'Religare's money connections with the Radha Soami guru'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e20147e0576e06970b2010-12-03T12:26:58Z2010-12-03T15:41:29ZNietzscheWell rook me a long time thinking to realize the obvious that everyone might already know. Where does the money...<p>Well rook me a long time thinking to realize the obvious that everyone might already know. <br />
Where does the money come from was my question because I don't see a lot of satsangi's donate so much in my presence. <br />
Than it occured to me. A lot of the satsangi's are old. A lot of satsangi's are alienated from their relatives. So they dy lonely and angry at society and not understood by family. So where does the money go after their dead? Yes RSSB. So they prosper from the corpses that they have isolated from the herd. Just like other predators. </p>Robert Searle commented on 'Religare's money connections with the Radha Soami guru'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e20133f5a6ceda970b2010-11-07T12:20:50Z2010-11-07T17:30:56ZRobert SearleTara, Thank you for your response. But I still find it a little odd....but I will not bring up the...<p><br />
Tara,</p>
<p>Thank you for your response. But I still find it a little odd....but I will not bring up the subject again!</p>jatin shah commented on 'Religare's money connections with the Radha Soami guru'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e2013488c2864b970c2010-11-06T15:34:57Z2010-11-06T17:36:48Zjatin shah@Blue cross-u r absolutely true..people who criticize him will not find place even in hell..whereas our faith in him will...<p>@Blue cross-u r absolutely true..people who criticize him will not find place even in hell..whereas our faith in him will increase 4 times more no matter what they do..</p>Robert Searle commented on 'Religare's money connections with the Radha Soami guru'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e2013488c17055970c2010-11-06T11:10:27Z2010-11-06T17:36:48ZRobert SearleAny Explanation from Anyone...? This is the third, and probably last time I will make in connection with the google...<p>Any Explanation from Anyone...?</p>
<p>This is the third, and probably last time I will make in connection with the google links which indirectly go to my thoughts, and visions blog site? The words Gurinder Singh Blog again appear on my two entries on Religare. The question is why.. apart from some kind of computer "error"..or could this be a way in which Gurinder "tacitly endorses" Part Two notably of my interpretation of the present Satguruship, and Religare affair to help wavering Satsangis, and seekers to come to terms with the situation? Moroever, Shivinder Singh Blog also appears after one of the self-same entries on google.See google link below..</p>
<p><br />
<a href="http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&source=hp&q=religare+gurinder&aq=f&aqi=g2&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=" rel="nofollow">http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&source=hp&q=religare+gurinder&aq=f&aqi=g2&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=</a></p>tAo commented on 'Religare's money connections with the Radha Soami guru'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e20133f5923414970b2010-11-04T05:07:29Z2010-11-04T05:07:29ZtAoBlue Sky, don't worry about others, because the supreme godhead Shri Shri Radha Krsna is very merciful to those who...<p>Blue Sky,</p>
<p>don't worry about others, because the supreme godhead Shri Shri Radha Krsna is very merciful to those who are sincere and seeking the truth.</p>
<p>just worry about yourself and your own hypocrisy, and how long you will remain lost in maya until you finally surrender.</p>
<p>for it is indeed demonic of you to tell others to "rot in hell", instead of demonstrating humility and encouraging love of God.</p>
<p>simply chant the Hare Krsna maha-mantra and become imbued with trancendental bliss, beyond the reach of the modes of material nature.</p>
<p>see:<br />
<a href="http://hinessight.blogs.com/church_of_the_churchless/2009/01/rssb-guru-does-karaoke-he-must-be-god.html?cid=6a00d83451c0aa69e2013488a9660e970c#comment-6a00d83451c0aa69e2013488a9660e970c" rel="nofollow">http://hinessight.blogs.com/church_of_the_churchless/2009/01/rssb-guru-does-karaoke-he-must-be-god.html?cid=6a00d83451c0aa69e2013488a9660e970c#comment-6a00d83451c0aa69e2013488a9660e970c</a></p>
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</p>tucson commented on 'Religare's money connections with the Radha Soami guru'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e20133f5921b39970b2010-11-04T04:42:51Z2010-11-04T04:42:51ZtucsonBlue Sky (Grey Cloud), You are hanging out with a rough crowd...these gods who curse people and condemn them to...<p>Blue Sky (Grey Cloud),</p>
<p>You are hanging out with a rough crowd...these gods who curse people and condemn them to hell fire.</p>
<p>I suggest you get some new friends. </p>Blue Sky commented on 'Religare's money connections with the Radha Soami guru'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e20133f590347a970b2010-11-03T22:04:10Z2010-11-03T22:04:10ZBlue SkyThe people hosting this website appear to do nothing, but, create negativity. Jusr remember even when Jesus Christ was alive,...<p>The people hosting this website appear to do nothing, but, create negativity. Jusr remember even when Jesus Christ was alive, there were believers and non-believers.</p>
<p>They nearly beat him to death and hung him on a cross, still 2000 years on people believe in him and will continue to do so, no matter how much negativity you preach on this website.</p>
<p>All the Sikh Gurus were tortured and killed, they are still worshipped today, so even if you speak ill of RadhaSwamy Gurus, it will do nothing, it will only strengthen the resolve of the worshipper.</p>
<p>You on the other hand are creating sin and a karma that will be hard to forgive, when you will rot in hell fire then you will remember hese words, the curse of Gods will finish you, you will regret every word that you have written against any master or teacher or conveyor of the truth.</p>
<p>Rot in Hell.</p>Nietzsche commented on 'Religare's money connections with the Radha Soami guru'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e20134888f4ffc970c2010-10-29T16:23:22Z2010-10-29T16:23:22ZNietzscheI'm still wondering if I will eat the raviloli today or the susi wang. Both are in cheap cans but...<p>I'm still wondering if I will eat the raviloli today or the susi wang. Both are in cheap cans but taste so very gooooood :) </p>Nietzsche commented on 'Religare's money connections with the Radha Soami guru'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e20133f569e79d970b2010-10-28T20:24:35Z2010-10-28T20:24:35ZNietzscheHi Tara, I've read your post and am still thinking about it. I think Gurinder will start to raise more...<p>Hi Tara,</p>
<p>I've read your post and am still thinking about it. I think Gurinder will start to raise more donations and he will make more Satsangi's do sewa. At least that is what he did the past years and it is very obvious if you only seldom visit the Satsangs like I did. I witnessed the change over a period of 5 to 6 years and saw all these little money collection boxes during his last visit that where never there before. Also there was more pushing to donate in the newspaper than before. Personally I witnessed a plead to work in our local building that was never done so explicit before. Things are changing and I guess more Satsangi's will be excommunicated like Brian.<br />
RSSB will be run like a business because that is his way. If we don't like it we have to leave.<br />
Anyway I discovered that wine can help me relax in ways that I've never thought before :) </p>Robert Searle commented on 'Religare's money connections with the Radha Soami guru'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e2013487b30bee970c2010-09-25T09:08:46Z2010-10-20T01:21:00ZRobert SearleReaders maybe interested to know that the Duke of York visited Religare.... http://www.ukti.gov.uk/uktihome/localisation/109196.html It is claimed that Prince Charles had...<p><br />
Readers maybe interested to know that the Duke of York visited Religare....</p>
<p><a href="http://www.ukti.gov.uk/uktihome/localisation/109196.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.ukti.gov.uk/uktihome/localisation/109196.html</a></p>
<p>It is claimed that Prince Charles had secret meetings with Charan Singh. If I recall rightly the latter claimed that the former was not meant to be initiated in this birth!!<br />
It also appears that Charles may have had a secret meeting when Gurinder was in Birmingham in 1991. In light of the revelations concerning Religare I doubt whether such a rendez-vous has ever continued........</p>Nietzsche commented on 'Religare's money connections with the Radha Soami guru'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e2013487ad7ae6970c2010-09-24T12:46:30Z2010-10-20T01:21:02ZNietzscheAnother question. RSSB is doing very well, there is little question about that is there? Now why do people suddenly...<p>Another question. RSSB is doing very well, there is little question about that is there? Now why do people suddenly donate so much to RSSB? Even if Gurinder is an excellent business man (what I doubt) he does not raise the money out of my pocket. There is not much more advertisement for donating or anything. It seems more likely people where now and then willing to donate to Charan than to Gurinder.</p>
<p>Is it possible that the money from Religare flows the other direction too? Do they indeed have cross holdings to put money save in religious investments in RSSB? No tax to pay perhaps? It would explain a lot.</p>
<p>It might even be possible that Religare is not doing so well and that more donations are needed. In my opinion it is likely that a middle class business man became the head of the huge RSSB. He then was manipulated by the Sing family to help out with the RSSB money. The screwed business man from these family companies paid back with shares and big cars and the guru is left with the feeling that he is a big business man. It does seem more likely that clever experienced man are behind all this than it seems likely that a not so very successful man from spain did think of all this. Only if you don't buy the god in man thing of cause.</p>Nietzsche commented on 'Religare's money connections with the Radha Soami guru'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e20133f48c5cb9970b2010-09-24T11:11:06Z2010-10-20T01:21:04ZNietzscheAfter reading most of the post on this article again I conclude that the question is that Religare got money...<p>After reading most of the post on this article again I conclude that the question is that Religare got money in the period 2006 to 2008 before Ranbaxy shares where sold to the Japanese in 2008 but SKat clames that Ranbaxy was never short of cash and that Ranbaxy funded Religare in these days. However Tara pointed out that Ranbaxy did not have the cash because they had to sell shares to get the cash in 2008.</p>
<p>From the article I conclude that Ranbaxy was involved in fraudulous FDA approval, meaning that they put medication on the market that was not properly tested and could have caused huge damage. </p>
<p>Together with the statements on Indian moral it is likely that money has been going from RSSB to Religare and perhaps still does. However they do try to cover it up nicely.</p>Nietzsche commented on 'Religare's money connections with the Radha Soami guru'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e20133f47a796b970b2010-09-23T09:59:17Z2010-10-20T01:21:06ZNietzscheBut still some stuff is unclear in my mind. I read that Gurinder is a big shareholder with his sons...<p>But still some stuff is unclear in my mind. I read that Gurinder is a big shareholder with his sons but he is not the director. So is there really a mix of spiritual and financial leadership? Is Gurinder really involved in decision making or does he just get the prospects like all shareholders?</p>
<p>And second I read that they are all family. Isn't it possible that the uncles gave the shares to Gurinder and his sons? It is not clear that he bought them. if he didn't buy them than there is also no question that he would have used RSSB money.</p>
<p>If he just got the shares that would also explain why he is rich now while he was not rich before he became the guru.</p>
<p>Just asking...</p>Nietzsche commented on 'Religare's money connections with the Radha Soami guru'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e20134879a9cd0970c2010-09-23T09:40:59Z2010-10-20T01:21:06ZNietzscheCan someone explain this: http://www.expressindia.com/latest-news/deal-lands-gmada-in-rs-119-crore-loss/330670/ It says that the land exchange deal between RSSB and GMADA goes with great loss...<p>Can someone explain this:<br />
<a href="http://www.expressindia.com/latest-news/deal-lands-gmada-in-rs-119-crore-loss/330670/" rel="nofollow">http://www.expressindia.com/latest-news/deal-lands-gmada-in-rs-119-crore-loss/330670/</a></p>
<p>It says that the land exchange deal between RSSB and GMADA goes with great loss for GMADA but they don't seem to care....strange. </p>
<p>And as a second point:</p>
<p>Why the strange withdrawing from charitable donations? Does he need more money? Are things not so well? Do we awake one day to find Gurinder gone and a RSSB in deep debt? It is strange because he knows that this does not look good. What is more important than looking good?</p>tAo commented on 'Religare's money connections with the Radha Soami guru'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e20133f4771b8a970b2010-09-22T21:38:07Z2010-10-20T01:21:08ZtAoSKat, frankly, you're full of crap. SKat wrote: "Don't worry about 'racist' comments here. The comments come from people whose...<p>SKat, frankly, you're full of crap.</p>
<p>SKat wrote: "Don't worry about 'racist' comments here. The comments come from people whose collective actions brought the global banking system down on its knees."</p>
<p>You say that the "collective actions" of the commenters on this blog "brought the global banking system down on its knees" ???</p>
<p>What? are you serious? actually, more like insane.</p>
<p>I'd say that you are out of your friggin mind... and, you are a fraud as well. </p>
<p>This one statement alone shows how out of touch with the facts and reality you are. this one statement alone discredits you and your entire comment.</p>
<p>You obviously have no understanding whatsoever of the real facts, players, and actions related to the global financial take-over - aka the (now $ 28 trillion dollar) "banker-bailout" scam.</p>
<p>Some people here are not as stupid as you seem to think.</p>
<p>You are a joke.... a rather bad joke. so go crawl back down in whatever lame-brain hole you crawled out of.</p>
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</p>Nietzsche commented on 'Religare's money connections with the Radha Soami guru'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e201348794d2a6970c2010-09-22T16:32:42Z2010-10-20T01:21:08ZNietzscheFrom Tara's account above: " We're a spiritual mission, not a charitable one... " Than lets take out the 'we'....<p>From Tara's account above: " We're a spiritual mission, not a charitable one... "</p>
<p>Than lets take out the 'we'.</p>
<p>I'm a spiritual mission not a charitable..(hmmmm)</p>
<p>Reminds me of 'what if god was one of us...all alone at the phone..try to make his way back home....'</p>SKat commented on 'Religare's money connections with the Radha Soami guru'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e201348793c3ed970c2010-09-22T13:56:22Z2010-10-20T01:21:10ZSKatArjun, You are an investment banker.. where? I am a corporate banker who has handled the Ranbaxy account in the...<p>Arjun,</p>
<p>You are an investment banker.. where? I am a corporate banker who has handled the Ranbaxy account in the past.</p>
<p>Stop kidding and share some facts. Also be sure if your 'close aides' told you the facts or was it 'disgruntled employees'.</p>
<p>Mid to senior level employees! I meet the Head of Treasury and Head of Finance of Religare almost every month. They never hint about it.</p>
<p>Another myth you are perpetuating is that Ranbaxy before its sale was under debts. This tells me that you are no investment banker. You just can not be.</p>
<p>Ranbaxy was a hugely cash surplus company. Always. When Ramachandran was the CFO I was literally hounded to give them good rates on term deposits. They were always in and out of Term Deposits and Liquid Funds. 'Cash' holdings were to the extent of Rs 25 billion at times. </p>
<p>Let me quote two current examples with you.</p>
<p>To give you an idea of current cash flows their hospital Escorts Fortis (just one hospital in Delhi) conducted 7000 open heart + angioplasty surgeries in one year. That's Rs 2.1 billion worth of surgery @ Rs 300,000 per procedure. Do they need murky deals to generate cash?</p>
<p>In the Parkway Hospital deal in Singapore that Fortis lost to Khazanah of Malaysia they walked away with Rs 3.5 billion approx of profit on selling their stake 20%.</p>
<p>I am privy to information on Religare as well that I can not share due to professional reasons. All information I quote is available in public domain.</p>
<p>Cash was never a problem with Ranbaxy or their current companies. Let us talk facts and not nonsense. </p>
<p>They have the highest turnover rate in the industry? What % number is that. Higher than IT / BPO industry. ICICI Bank operates at a rate closer to 16-18% turnover in good times (when the jobs market is good). What is it for Religare? All Indian companies suffer from this problem. Rare would be the company that has a large workforce and is in single digit % turnover range.</p>
<p>Don't throw statements around. Back up with facts. Start a blog if you want to share your conspiracy theories.</p>
<p>PS: Don't worry about 'racist' comments here. The comments come from people whose collective actions brought the global banking system down on its knees. Few countries were left standing amidst the ruins. Need I say more.</p>jon weiss commented on 'Religare's money connections with the Radha Soami guru'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e20133f444c7c6970b2010-09-15T23:45:59Z2010-09-15T23:45:59Zjon weissMatthew 25:40. From Tara's account above: " We're a spiritual mission, not a charitable one... "<p>Matthew 25:40.</p>
<p>From Tara's account above: " We're a spiritual mission, not a charitable one... " </p>Robert Searle commented on 'Religare's money connections with the Radha Soami guru'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e2013486c2e50a970c2010-09-03T15:09:27Z2010-09-03T15:09:27ZRobert Searlehttp://www.p2pfoundation.net/Multi-Dimensional_ScienceCSR at Religare Enterprises? http://www.facebook.com/photos.php?id=304540548297 Some more data in connection with the development of Religare http://www.facebook.com/posted.php?id=304540548297&start=0&hash=c9b80fa6a917daaae715b4b3c71363cb http://www.facebook.com/pages/Religare-Technologies/10150094321945118 It is clear...<p><br />
CSR at Religare Enterprises?</p>
<p><a href="http://www.facebook.com/photos.php?id=304540548297" rel="nofollow">http://www.facebook.com/photos.php?id=304540548297</a></p>
<p>Some more data in connection with the development of Religare</p>
<p><a href="http://www.facebook.com/posted.php?id=304540548297&start=0&hash=c9b80fa6a917daaae715b4b3c71363cb" rel="nofollow">http://www.facebook.com/posted.php?id=304540548297&start=0&hash=c9b80fa6a917daaae715b4b3c71363cb</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.facebook.com/pages/Religare-Technologies/10150094321945118" rel="nofollow">http://www.facebook.com/pages/Religare-Technologies/10150094321945118</a></p>
<p>It is clear that Gurinder (and his business team) has been a busy bee "behind the scenes" at Religare!! How this fits together with Sant Mat is ofcourse another matter!!</p>Robert Searle commented on 'Religare's money connections with the Radha Soami guru'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e20133f3847084970b2010-09-02T11:02:45Z2010-09-02T11:02:45ZRobert SearleTara, Yes, a clever play on the use of words on the part of GS, and his associates. I think...<p><br />
Tara,</p>
<p> Yes, a clever play on the use of words on the part of GS, and his associates. I think what you are saying is probably correct.</p>Robert Searle commented on 'Religare's money connections with the Radha Soami guru'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e201348693cae3970c2010-08-31T09:53:28Z2010-08-31T09:53:28ZRobert SearleTara, No, I did not go through the entire link concerning the charity status of the RSSB in the UK....<p><br />
Tara,</p>
<p> No, I did not go through the entire link concerning the charity status of the RSSB in the UK. However, I was interested in your comments which are worth reading as usual..</p>Robert Searle commented on 'Religare's money connections with the Radha Soami guru'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e20133f360f5eb970b2010-08-28T13:31:09Z2010-08-28T13:31:09ZRobert SearleAn Odd Discussion Group Some of the material below about GS may well be libellous. However, it is left to...<p><br />
An Odd Discussion Group</p>
<p>Some of the material below about GS may well be libellous. However, it is left to the judgement to readers on this site!!</p>
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<a href="http://www.absoluteastronomy.com/discussion/Radha_Soami_Satsang_Beas" rel="nofollow">http://www.absoluteastronomy.com/discussion/Radha_Soami_Satsang_Beas</a></p>Blogger Brian commented on 'Religare's money connections with the Radha Soami guru'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e20134868417b6970c2010-08-28T07:01:45Z2010-08-28T07:01:54ZBlogger Brianhttp://profile.typepad.com/brihinesS. Clarity, thanks for the thoughtful, interesting, and well written comment. You've done a good job of capturing the essence...<p>S. Clarity, thanks for the thoughtful, interesting, and well written comment. You've done a good job of capturing the essence and spirit of the "new" RSSB, which indeed has a very different vibe from the organization I first came in contact with in 1970.</p>S. Clarity commented on 'Religare's money connections with the Radha Soami guru'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e20134868276f2970c2010-08-27T22:00:16Z2010-08-27T22:00:16ZS. ClarityIt's UK National Sangat weekend. Perhaps 1/2 key members of the UK Sangat will have the grace to digest the...<p>It's UK National Sangat weekend. Perhaps 1/2 key members of the UK Sangat will have the grace to digest the above comment by Tara. </p>
<p>Thank you for the clarification in the above comment, Tara. Your comments give a valuable insight into the sort of organisation which RSSB Trust has become since the current Guru took the helm.</p>
<p>Since any organisation is said to reflect the inspiration, call it the capacity, of its’ leadership so RSSB now reflects the inspiration, the capacity, of the Guru. </p>
<p>Us seekers, though, we tend to get caught up in the mystery of the spiritual moment and forget that Guru – just like any other seeker – operates only according to his capacity. </p>
<p>And, in this respect, RSSB seekers romance about the current Master of Beas even though it is self-evident that where He feels most at home – most comfortable – is most definitely within the auspices of the spheres. </p>
<p>The current Master displays quite remarkable powers of mental concentration. He has acquired many of the talents/skills – call them what you like – that accompany such exceptional powers. And, indeed, in this regard He has become a real adept for which He deserves considerable respect.</p>
<p>But, putting aside the romancing of this stone, what do we get when we turn it over? </p>
<p>Well, under the current Guru’s tutelage – under the stone – RSSB never really had any chance of surviving, or evolving, or progressing, or developing, how ever you want to describe it, as a primarily spiritual way or endeavour without all the entrapments that go with organised religiosity. How could it? What manifests under the Guru’s tutelage lies simply within the remit of the Guru’s capacity.</p>
<p>So sadly, sooner than hoped, out of the soft & gentle what we’ve got is the evolution of a real cookie-monster of an organisation; constantly gorging & enlarging, gobbling up wherever it can gain a toe-hold, and just plain greedy for survival within this remit of the spheres. </p>
<p>RSSB is now an organisation – regardless of ascribed status of its leader - which even the Guru struggles to contain. And, should the person of the Guru go, try and make His escape, then there are now so many other vested interests, other agendas, that this cookie-monster of an organisation would simply transmute into a ‘tradition’. Old Max Weber described the process perfectly.</p>
<p>Perhaps this was just our lesson – RSSB Guru & Shishya alike – in the inherent danger of becoming too at-home, too comfortable, too adept in the play of the spheres. So, the way forward? Back to basics. Back to Swami Ji, to Surat Shabd yoga, get over the poetic imagery & with liberation on the crest of the Shabd, that vital life force, come to realise the wisdom contained within the simplicity & directness of expression of Ramana and Nisargadatta. </p>
<p>Radha Soami </p>S.Clarity commented on 'Religare's money connections with the Radha Soami guru'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e20133f33ad80b970b2010-08-21T19:16:50Z2010-08-21T19:16:50ZS.ClarityAnother long wet summer but finally in-house gossip reaches even those of us hovering on the RSSB periphery. So, bit...<p>Another long wet summer but finally in-house gossip reaches even those of us hovering on the RSSB periphery. So, bit late in the day but seeking some clarity re. RSSB Trust & Religare/Fortis:</p>
<p>1. Issue of transparency/disclosure: In one comment on your website it is said that when asking RSSB Dera management about seva donations/funding, that satsangis were asked to leave the Dera. Is that correct? If so, is simply asking about financial dealings, including evidence/auditing of monetary donations, considered inappropriate?</p>
<p>2. Has the current Master ever offered to make public – given potential conflict of interest – his personal &/or family financial affairs including RSSB related expenses? Has any national sangat – ie: UK Sangat – ever requested such information be made public?</p>
<p>3. Newspaper reports indicate a number of legal disputes involving RSSB and property/land acquisitions &/or sales at Dera & Delhi. (16 Jul 2009 ... RSSB HAS NOT ONLY ENCROACHED LAND IN VARIOUS PARTS OF INDIA INCLUDING LAND AT BHATI MINES DELHI BUT ALSO ENCROACHED ON LIVES OF HUMAN BEINGS www.expressindia.com/latestnews/Decks...to.../345646.) Are there other outstanding legal disputes relating to property/land acquisitions &/or sales in India, or elsewhere? Are such disputes now commonplace?</p>
<p>4. It is noted on www.watchoutinvestors.com that Fortis Securities Ltd, renamed Religare Securities Ltd, was debarred/restrained from dealing on a sequence of occasions from 2005 to 2009 for alleged violations including creating artificial markets, forcing price rises, making applications in fictitious names, alleged violations of code of conduct of stock brokers etc. Are these the only occasions upon which Religare/Fortis are known to have been debarred/restrained from dealing?</p>
<p>5. Reference document - www.sebi.gov.in/dp/fortisdraft.pdf - Draft Letter of Offer, 1April 2009, Fortis, Fortis Healthcare Limited. Attention drawn to ‘Internal Risk Factors’, pp vii-xii, noted that criminal proceedings cited as pending against certain Directors, one of whom is also a Promoter. Also, noted pp. 169-192, details of some 46 companies listed as Promoter Group. These 46 companies offer range of services from finance, holistic healthcare, pharmaceuticals, general import/export, property/real estate, 2 wheeler supplies/repairs, automobile sales, hotel/restaurant/resort management, township development, commercial/domestic building works, commercial forestry/farming/poultry, commercial vegetable/fruit production, arts, soccer promotion, aviation/freight/cargo/passenger services, media, and etc. Evidence of considerable commonality across shareholders/directors of these 46 companies. Are most/all of those named RSSB initiates? Are these companies known to have been routinely contracted to undertake work/services for RSSB Trust in India &/or elsewhere?</p>
<p>6. And, final query: Can someone provide a conclusive answer to question asked by Arjun on your blog: ‘Who funded Religare (Est 2006) when Ranbaxy itself was in debt?’ Arjun says, ‘the answer to that may have a link to Religare's shareholding pattern.’ Currently shareholding pattern is heavily weighted toward Guru’s young sons who, overnight it appears, became major shareholders/rupee billionaires. Is it suggested that their recent shareholdings constitute a form of ‘reward/repayment’ for the funding of Religare back in 2006? If so, was the source of such funding RSSB Trust funds (voluntary donations) since Ranbaxy was in debt? And, would it be true to say that there was only one person who could have authorised such a funding stream? </p>
<p>Whatever the truth of so-called connections/dealings between RSSB Trust & Religare/Fortis et al the old adage rings out loud & clear: There is no smoke without fire. </p>
<p>As such, there is a certain expectation that – in wishing to maintain integrity – a responsible organisation would now do its utmost to reassure members that there has not been any ‘misappropriation of funds’ – given freely & voluntarily to a charitable organisation – for private gain. For, lest there be any doubt, it is the case that regardless of any status ascribed to those involved in such transactions that such actions – in & of themselves – would be generally deemed both highly immoral, given the charitable/voluntary status of the funding stream and, by common definition, illegal. </p>
<p>So, for both the sake of transparency & what may be the very future of RSSB Trust, perhaps the time has come for (a) national sangat officers to put aside personal concerns as to their seva boons & positioning in the hierarchy and request specific clarification & transparency in all RSSB Trust dealings. And (b), in the absence of an open offer of full disclosure, for the Guru – who, given a fair reading of his character would likely log-on to sites such as this during his sojourn in the spheres – to now raise his sights above the parapet of said spheres and, in doing so, seek to preserve in tact the spiritual legacy entrusted to us all, Guru & Shishya alike, by Swami Ji.</p>
<p>Radha Soami.<br />
</p>tAo commented on 'Religare's money connections with the Radha Soami guru'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e20134865295b4970c2010-08-20T02:04:02Z2010-08-20T02:04:02ZtAoroger, its simple... he is saying that a supposed life after death, is one that has not yet been seen...<p>roger, its simple... he is saying that a supposed life after death, is one that has not yet been seen (proven to exist).</p>
<p>so the poor are giving their rupees and their land to the master in hopes that the master will bless them in their afterlife, or a better life after death.</p>Roger commented on 'Religare's money connections with the Radha Soami guru'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e20133f32d8c77970b2010-08-19T20:00:58Z2010-08-19T20:00:58ZRoger"to get a pass for their not seen by anyone afterdeath life." --what are you saying?<p>"to get a pass for their not seen by anyone afterdeath life."</p>
<p>--what are you saying?<br />
</p>Open ur eyes commented on 'Religare's money connections with the Radha Soami guru'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e201348650544b970c2010-08-19T18:58:55Z2010-08-19T18:58:55ZOpen ur eyesDear all Note that the land of the "local satsang centers" purchased by poor local satsangis by collecting money should...<p>Dear all</p>
<p>Note that the land of the "local satsang centers" purchased by poor local satsangis by collecting money should be only registered in favor of RSSB.</p>
<p>Imagine the wealth RSSB has created by having land in almost all the villages of India donated by ignorant poor satsangis to get a pass for their not seen by anyone afterdeath life.</p>
<p>I know it is not illegal but IS IT MORAL</p>
<p> </p>kanchan asrani commented on 'Religare's money connections with the Radha Soami guru'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e20133f3149e30970b2010-08-15T10:51:24Z2010-08-15T10:51:24Zkanchan asraniu all do'nt leave god also.who is taking care of everybody u all r interested in his personal things.u all...<p>u all do'nt leave god also.who is taking care of everybody u all r interested in his personal things.u all do'nt see wht he is not doing for for us spiritually.this shows how much trust u all have.first see urself then piont out babaji.</p>kanchan asrani commented on 'Religare's money connections with the Radha Soami guru'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e20133f3149b2c970b2010-08-15T10:47:17Z2010-08-15T10:47:17Zkanchan asranikanchan pls do'nt talk all these kinds of shit.he is our god nobody has right to say anything about him...<p>kanchan<br />
pls do'nt talk all these kinds of shit.he is our god nobody has right to say anything about him untill and unless u all do'nt know about him its better not to give give ur useless comments.</p>Robert Searle commented on 'Religare's money connections with the Radha Soami guru'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e20134863393fe970c2010-08-14T12:14:28Z2010-08-14T12:14:28ZRobert SearleCHECKING OUT CHARITY STATUS? In Britain we have the Charity Commision. However,I have not found as yet an Indian couterpart...assuming...<p><br />
CHECKING OUT CHARITY STATUS?</p>
<p>In Britain we have the Charity Commision. However,I have not found as yet an Indian couterpart...assuming something like it exists..! Here is the link to RSSB in Haynes Park which could be examined...</p>
<p><a href="http://www.charity-commission.gov.uk/SHOWCHARITY/RegisterOfCharities/CharityWithPartB.aspx?RegisteredCharityNumber=1013061&SubsidiaryNumber=0" rel="nofollow">http://www.charity-commission.gov.uk/SHOWCHARITY/RegisterOfCharities/CharityWithPartB.aspx?RegisteredCharityNumber=1013061&SubsidiaryNumber=0</a></p>
<p>It would interesting be see what other charity reports have to say about RSSB in other countries such as the USA, and Cana<br />
da. May be BH might like to do some research?</p>Robert Searle commented on 'Religare's money connections with the Radha Soami guru'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e20133f306a202970b2010-08-12T17:28:09Z2010-08-12T17:28:09ZRobert SearleHow standards have changed. What Gurinder is doing would have been unthinkable if Charan had been around. If somone falsely...<p><br />
How standards have changed. What Gurinder is doing would have been unthinkable if Charan had been around. If somone falsely accused the latter of the sort of things the former was upto he would have regarded it as libel, and hence, actionable...and out of step with the real Sant Mat ideals!!!</p>
<p> </p>Roger commented on 'Religare's money connections with the Radha Soami guru'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e20134862980ba970c2010-08-12T15:13:09Z2010-08-12T15:13:09ZRoger"Now ask yourself....is having money "evil?" --Money is money. How do you or RSSB define evil? "Now stop the negativity...<p>"Now ask yourself....is having money "evil?"</p>
<p>--Money is money. How do you or RSSB define evil?</p>
<p><br />
"Now stop the negativity against a man who is greater than a man."</p>
<p>--What does a man have to do to become greater than a man? Is this 'greater' man greater than women? In addition, what is 'negativity' and how does RSSB define negativity?</p>
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" RS is NOT the Catholic church...it's not a religion.."</p>
<p>--Not being the Catholic church, means something is wrong with the Catholic church? What's wrong with RSSB being a religion? I don't see a problem with RSSB being a religion.</p>
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Hospitals and ashrams where people can receive help in various ways is very nice. Has this Gurinder person built a building where one can go to reach the Sach Kan spiritual place or plane? A few persons are looking for that spiritual salvation with the Lord or God. Nothing more. So what has Gurinder specifically done in that area alone? Don't forget, he is greater than a man.</p>Gola Sagonige commented on 'Religare's money connections with the Radha Soami guru'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e20133f303c831970b2010-08-12T05:36:45Z2010-08-12T05:36:45ZGola SagonigeThe present Master Gurinder Singh has firmed up the Radhasoami Beas organization worldwide. He has centralized the appointment of Satsang...<p>The present Master Gurinder Singh has firmed up the Radhasoami Beas organization worldwide. He has centralized the appointment of Satsang leaders (the guru personally approves each appointee) and has increased the number of satsangis involved in various seva(free service) projects. <br />
The credit for the smooth operations of the movement in the United States goes entirely to Gurinder Singh who has improved the infrastructure of the Radhasoami organization. He was responsible for fixing an age limit of 25 for initiation seekers. He has revamped the printed initiation instructions. He overlooks the editing of local newsletters and building of new Radhasoami centers across the globe. Each year he travels extensively to countries outside India, to spread the message of the Radhasoami movement. This has probably resulted in making the Radhasoami Satsang Beas as being the most organized and popular Radhasoami groups of all.</p>
<p>The ashram:</p>
<p>The ashram at Beas is a picture of calm and beauty. It has guestrooms where people, who are interested in taking initiation into the sect, can come and stay. At the ashram is present a 300-bed hospital, which provides free medical care to both members of the Radhasoami movement as well as non-members and the needy.</p>
<p>Maharaj Sawan Singh Charitable Hospital:</p>
<p>The MSS Charitable hospital is a vast complex near the Dera, at Beas, on the Grant Trunk Road between Amritsar and Jallandhar. A team of highly qualified and experienced doctors mans this 35-acre hospital, built at a cost of nearly Rs 40 million. Both, the para-medical staff, and other skilled and unskilled employees are housed in a well laid-out residential colony planned to provide all necessary amenities. Visiting doctors, both Indian and foreign, who serve at the hospital for short periods, are also provided with residential accommodation.</p>
<p>The hospital complex also encompasses a serai(inn) for the free accommodation of relatives and dependants accompanying the patients. The serai has a capacity to accommodate 450 people.</p>
<p>One of the special features of the hospital is its annual eye camp, the first of which was organized in 1965. The purpose of this is to give medical aid to people suffering from eye-ailments, particularly surgical removal of cataracts from the eye.</p>
<p>Now ask yourself....is having money "evil"?<br />
It depends on who has it I guess.</p>
<p>Now stop the negativity against a man who is greater than a man. One must have capital to work on this plane of existence...esp. when one is giving so much and asks nothing...</p>
<p>Master's children are not asked to give ANYTHNG...</p>
<p>RS is NOT the Catholic church...it's not a religion..<br />
READ: Path of the Masters and Living meditation: <a href="http://www.radhasoamisatsangbeas.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.radhasoamisatsangbeas.com</a></p>
<p>You are truly focused on the wrong thing and you are allowing the Negative Energy to control you.<br />
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RS </p>Roger commented on 'Religare's money connections with the Radha Soami guru'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e20134857f6f9e970c2010-07-17T16:20:03Z2010-07-17T16:20:03ZRogerYes, i can see, "Gods and goddesses are meant to be worshipped in temples, not dragged into commercial activities like...<p>Yes, i can see,</p>
<p>"Gods and goddesses are meant to be worshipped in temples, not dragged into commercial activities like share trading," the judges said."</p>
<p>--However, a GIHF could engage in commercial activities like share trading.</p>Robert Searle commented on 'Religare's money connections with the Radha Soami guru'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e20134857df03b970c2010-07-17T10:00:52Z2010-07-17T10:00:52ZRobert Searlehttp://www.p2pfoundation.net/Transfinancial_EconomicsI have noticed that Gurinder Singh as a Sevadar has been removed from Wikipedia. Now, he is seen as having...<p><br />
I have noticed that Gurinder Singh as a Sevadar has been removed from Wikipedia. Now, he is seen as having succeeded Charan Singh which ofcourse is factually correct. But does not mention the former as being a Satguru, or Sevadar.</p>
<p>I have noticed in the July UK newsletter that people are politely informed not to ask "inappropriate" questions (Religare, and other business interests perhaps!!?) of material nature during a Q and A with Gurinder!! </p>
<p>The following may be of interest though it is not directly connected with the above. It comes from the Yahoo news section....and is somewhat amusing especially in the light of Gurinders share trading activities....!</p>
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An Indian court has ruled that Hindu gods cannot deal in stocks and shares, <br />
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Two judges at the Bombay High Court on Friday rejected a petition from a private religious trust to open accounts in the names of five deities, including the revered elephant-headed god, Ganesha.</p>
<p>"Trading in shares on the stock market requires certain skills and expertise and to expect this from deities would not be proper," judges P.B. Majumdar and Rajendra Sawant said, according to Indian newspapers.</p>
<p>The trust, owned by the former royal family of Sangli, in western Maharashtra state, of which Mumbai is the capital, brought the case after successfully securing income tax cards and savings accounts for the deities.</p>
<p>But National Securities Depository Limited (NDSL) rejected the trust's application for permission to open trading accounts, arguing that it would be difficult to take action against the gods in the event of irregularities.</p>
<p>"Gods and goddesses are meant to be worshipped in temples, not dragged into commercial activities like share trading," the judges said.</p>
<p>Ganesha, also known as Lord Ganpati, is one of the most popular and well-known gods of the Hindu pantheon and is worshipped widely in Mumbai and Maharashtra.</p>
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</p>tAo commented on 'Religare's money connections with the Radha Soami guru'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e20133f23f5a57970b2010-07-13T06:04:34Z2010-07-13T06:04:34ZtAoTara, yes i got it. thank you so much. i meant to tell you, but other matters came up that...<p>Tara, yes i got it. thank you so much. i meant to tell you, but other matters came up that i had to attend to. i promise to get an email back to you sometime in the next day or so.</p>tAo commented on 'Religare's money connections with the Radha Soami guru'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e2013485625dfe970c2010-07-12T20:27:51Z2010-07-12T20:27:51ZtAoharsachin, you aren't funny, your're an insulting ass and a jerk. because people here are not that stupid. but you...<p>harsachin,<br />
you aren't funny, your're an insulting ass and a jerk. because people here are not that stupid. but you certainly are.</p>
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</p>harsachin commented on 'Religare's money connections with the Radha Soami guru'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e20133f23be0ef970b2010-07-12T17:36:37Z2010-07-12T17:36:37ZharsachinLol,,,,,,,, laughing hard,,,,,,,,,,,,,, MY INVITATION! i have an invitation to all of you who have posted comments on above article...<p>Lol,,,,,,,,<br />
laughing hard,,,,,,,,,,,,,,<br />
MY INVITATION!<br />
i have an invitation to all of you who have posted comments on above article and esp the person who has written this article,,,,,<br />
I am going to open a financial company named "Religare Opponents". I am going to invest all my hard earned money [including my dad's money, iff and only iff he will allow me]in this new company so called "Religare Opponents". The person who has written this article can be CEO of this company [i think he has enough calibre as he has already went thru basics of Religare]..good,,rest of you can be employees,,,,,,,,,<br />
now hurry up guys,,,,fix up your resume and send me ASAP. ,,,,u will get an interview letter,,,,,,we will talk on our loving company "Religare Opponents". <br />
This company needs guys like u ,,,,,,,,</p>
<p>PS: In your respective resume, please provide names of your family members [minimum 10],,,as later we need to transfer shares to their name,,,,,,<br />
looking forward to get your resume</p>
<p>regards</p>
<p>harsachin<br />
</p>Juan commented on 'Religare's money connections with the Radha Soami guru'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e20133f08e15d3970b2010-06-10T17:02:10Z2010-06-10T17:02:10ZJuanTara, thanks for the information.<p>Tara, thanks for the information.</p>Ritesh commented on 'Religare's money connections with the Radha Soami guru'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e2013483b5ac4b970c2010-06-10T08:52:05Z2010-06-10T08:52:05ZRiteshU r xtrmly wrng in ths case. U dnt knw the whole fact. U r jst doing 4 getng publicity....<p>U r xtrmly wrng in ths case. U dnt knw the whole fact. U r jst doing 4 getng publicity. U r jst a prsn in a mob. Dnt try 2 misguide any1. U r abslutly wrng.</p>Robert Searle commented on 'Religare's money connections with the Radha Soami guru'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e201348367d324970c2010-06-07T09:42:05Z2010-06-07T09:42:05ZRobert Searlehttp://www.p2pfoundation.net/Multi-Dimensional_ScienceDo not laugh but I include the rest of the above quote! I hope Gugu, or rather GS has a...<p><br />
Do not laugh but I include the rest of the above quote! I hope Gugu, or rather GS has a sense of humour!!</p>
<p>"...great caution. However, a perfect Master not only mirrors the teachings but the teachings mirror the Master since the scriptures and verbal discourses are the outpourings of his personal experience and achievement. The Masters way of life is natural, transparent and unique to such an extent that it easily sets him apart from the rest.....(!)"</p>
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I also recall reading somewhere that GS hates being a spiritual teacher, and that he would much prefer being a businessman proper..<br />
</p>Jen commented on 'Religare's money connections with the Radha Soami guru'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e2013483669daa970c2010-06-07T03:00:52Z2010-06-07T03:00:52ZJentAo, "because he isn't human. he is a reptile" - a shapeshifter as well...?!<p>tAo, "because he isn't human. he is a reptile" - a shapeshifter as well...?!</p>tucson commented on 'Religare's money connections with the Radha Soami guru'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e2013483663201970c2010-06-07T01:02:44Z2010-06-07T01:02:44ZtucsonRobert, Why would you want to follow (trust) a master who does these things as you mentioned above? 1) enjoys...<p>Robert,</p>
<p>Why would you want to follow (trust) a master who does these things as you mentioned above? </p>
<p>1) enjoys riches, cars and worldly things</p>
<p>2) travels in a private jet and uses Satsang funds for whatever reason</p>
<p>3) behaves as if he were a crooked businessman</p>
<p>4) makes jokes at the expense of women</p>
<p>You suggest all this could be some sort of divine test of faith, a lesson designed for the good of satsangis. What is your rationale for this?</p>
<p>It seems to me the obvious is much more likely the case. These are the actual interests, orientations and attitudes of this man. </p>
<p>If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, it most likely is a duck.<br />
</p>tAo commented on 'Religare's money connections with the Radha Soami guru'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e20133f03c15a1970b2010-06-06T23:26:33Z2010-06-06T23:26:33ZtAo"Maybe these are the mysterious ways of these kind and soft hearted Masters to take back the marked souls back...<p>"Maybe these are the mysterious ways of these kind and soft hearted Masters to take back the marked souls back to the Lord."</p>
<p>-- well i doubt it.</p>
<p>"Why can't God, or the Master enjoy riches, expensive cars, and other worldly things?"</p>
<p>-- but what god or master?? and why does a god or a master need riches, expensive cars, and worldly things? doesn't god already possess everything in the universe? what kind of god needs money and cars? answer: a very ordinary pseudo-god.</p>
<p>"Why can't He travel around in his jet,and perhaps use the Satsang funds for whatever reason?"</p>
<p>-- because its not his money. and why does he need a jet if he is god in human form?</p>
<p>"Why can't he behave as if he were like some "crooked" businessman?"</p>
<p>-- because its crooked.</p>
<p>"why can't he behave as if were human..even making jokes at the expense of women?"</p>
<p>-- because he isn't human. he is a reptile. don't you know that god is a serpent?</p>
<p>"God can do anything even if in the process it may wreck our belief in Him."</p>
<p>-- no, god can't do "anything". god is a stone that god cannot lift.</p>
<p>"It is all of course a question of faith, and belief...and ultimately, inner experience"</p>
<p>-- faith and belief in what? in a god who needs money? in a master who is a reptile god? you must be joe king! and "inner experience"? well i have inner experiences every night when i dream, and i have an inner experience everyday when i eat a meal or read a novel.</p>
<p>"In Indian mythology various gods do the most criminal things at times....and yet, they are still worshipped, and venerated."</p>
<p>-- so? there are so many millions of superstitious people in the world who worship mythical gods. but those gods are myths, and the criminal things that the gods supposedly do, are also myths. people worship politicians too... and, as we all know, politicians do criminal things as well. so saying that hindus worship misbehaving gods, really doesn't mean much of anything. it just shows the nature of religion and belief in myths.</p>
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</p>Robert Searle commented on 'Religare's money connections with the Radha Soami guru'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e2013483649d24970c2010-06-06T17:41:08Z2010-06-06T17:41:08ZRobert Searlehttp://www.p2pfoundation.net/Multi-Dimensional_ScienceAt about the time the revelations concerning GS, and Religare emerged in April 2010 here on site the UK Newsletter...<p>At about the time the revelations concerning GS, and Religare emerged in April 2010 here on site the UK Newsletter had one article about how to know whether a Master is perfect, or otherwise!! I am not sure whether this was by accident, or by design...but the following quote may be of interest..</p>
<p>"...It is a safe assumption to make that if the teachers way of life and particularly how he supports himself is at variance with the teachings, there is clearly a need to exercise great caution....</p>
<p>Also, there are quotes from Sawan Singh on how a Perfect Master should be like.</p>
<p>The newsletter article was by Narinder S Johal the Representative of the British Isles..<br />
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