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August 12, 2006

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Interesting post, I'm a bit curious to see Stenger's book now too.

I came here via Technorati and I have an ulterior motive - I'm starting a philosophy blog war (starting with some members of my study group) but I thought it would be much more interesting to have external participants. If you have any inclinations whatsoever towards that sort of thing you can find information about it at the url I gave for this comment.

Brian wrote:

"After thousands of years of people meditating, contemplating, praying, and otherwise searching for some demonstrable sign of God’s presence, the result is total absence."

I beg to differ. There are thousands of years of demonsratable proof. Please visit the The Salvia Divinorum Research and Information Center, and other related links:

http://sagewisdom.org/

http://sagewisdom.org/roads.html

http://sagewisdom.org/shepherdess.html

http://www.erowid.org/plants/salvia/salvia_journal7.shtml

::All we have are subjective claims, not objective facts:::

Great point.
I wonder if is possible for my subjective self to truly witness objective facts. What would it take to convince the subjective me that God exists, and is there a capacity for the subjective to understand?
It is a bleak thought to think that something as simple as 'capacity' might determine spiritual understanding.

We have poked and prodded and twisted and written: there is no objective evidence of emotion. All we can objectively prove is that there is action.

We have a world just as it would be without emotion. Storms still happen, the ocean rises and falls, no effect of worry, anger, happiness or sorrow can be seen. All we see is the result of cold, logical calculated action.

Science could prove there was no emotion if it wanted to; but science is pouting.

"Such is the ageless message of great mystics. And it is entirely compatible with the message of the new physics. There’s no God out there. Perhaps, though, there is in here."

There is no "out there" either, nor an "in here". No self, no other. No past and no future Just an undivided wholeness in the Now dreaming of past and future, separation, suffering, and sin. I like how Sting describes this:

"Sooner or later, just like the world first day, sooner or later we learn to throw the past away. History will teach us nothing. Know your human rights, be what you come here for."

This scientific research closely tallies with Advaita Vedanta. I find Advaita more plausible as it says that the Void(Brahman in Advaita) is the ocean of Consciousness from which various thoughts(maya) emerge.
God is Brahman+Maya. When we try to understand Brahman through our thought, the result is that we see it as a form/voice. This also explains the existance of so many different descriptions of God as the thoughts are different.
I'd request my fellow churchless companions to check Advaita. Your responses are welcome.

Om Namah Shivay

Yes. Vic Stenger has no idea that his view is consistent with the advaita view. I did try to mention it to him, but temperamental opinions and entrrnched dogma prevented any thoughtfulness.

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