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December 27, 2004


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"There is neither past nor future; there is only the present. Yesterday was the present when you experienced it; tomorrow will be the present when you experience it. Therefore, experience takes place only in the present, and beyond and apart from experience, nothing exits.

Ramana Maharshi

G. K. Chesterton said, "I do not feel any contempt for an atheist, who is often a man limited and constrained by his own logic to a very sad simplification." ("Babies and Distributism" The Well and the Shallows)

I wonder what your feeling are on these teachings today?

Not sure Maharshi's teachings are in agreement with science as you suggest.

For one thing, as I understand it the whole point of non-duality or advaita is that there is no seperation between subject and object, whereas science fundamentally requires an observer. Moreover, science is based on the philosophical concept of realism, i.e. the notion that there is a mind-independent reality, whereas mystical teachings seem at their core to stress that there is no independence.

Both viewpoints are interesting, tho not sure they are reconcileable, since they seem to be fundamentally different perspectives of the nature of reality.

George, re-reading this post, I find that I don't agree with myself as much as I did seven years ago. But that's to be expected. If I was unchanging, I'd be dead.

I still like Ramana. In comparison to other "gurus," at least. I haven't opened a Ramana book in several years. His philosophy makes more sense to me than that of most other gurus, yet you're right: it doesn't make scientific or reality-sense.

Philosophically, what I said int this post can be defended, given certain suppositions. However, reality shouldn't be dependent on "if's." Reality is what it is, given the ability of us humans to recognize the "is." (Meaning, if our brains can't recognize aspects of reality, such doesn't exist for us.)

Currently I'm much more of a "who knows?" person when it comes to ultimate reality. In 2004 I was in a transitional period from my true believing phase. That's evident in this post.

The Ultimate Simplicity

You cannot argue with a Raging Bull in a china shop.

If your lucky, all you can do is get the hell out
of the way.

There is no philosophy that will help you against
the Raging Bull.

You have two options. You can let the Beast tear
you apart. Or, you can jump on its back and hold
on to Its horns ...... for the ride of your life.

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