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June 13, 2018

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Yes, a funny old thing intuition. How many times have I left home only to have the nagging doubt that I have not locked up? Or as in one case of not turning the hob gas off – and drove miles back to check. Call it intuition but it seems to be related to how the habit of ruminating thoughts throw up random words or images that have little to do with leaving the house or whatever.

I put it down mostly to not being aware of what I am doing at the moment. It is distressing to realise that most of our lives are spent in a state of unawareness. Perhaps the recent posts on the ordinary and mindfulness may hold a key?

I agree that suddenly being mentally prompted to remember whether you switched off the stove or locked the door has little to do with intuition and everything to being distracted or even scatty by nature.

In Brian's case, may I say welcome to the world of ageing, where experiencing 'a senior moment', as we call it where I live, becomes all the more frequent. I find it important to be very mindful of matters of safety when going about the daily routine. Especially when I need to go up on the roof for some maintenance chore.

And if the burner had been on?

How very ungrateful of you, Brian, not to accept and acknowledge how you'd been blest, not once but twice over! I mean, what more could one ask for from God?

Miracle 1 : You'd actually left the burner on. God went out His way to let you know this.

Miracle 2 : When God found you dithering, He then went out of His way one more time, and miraculously switched the burner off Himself.

Instead of genuflecting in abject surrender at this double miracle, here you are, speaking of the "danger of trusting our intuition", and all kinds of heretical nonsense about "verifying" God's power! May the Lord forgive you!

Hi Appreciative

When we simply adopt an observer attitude we see exactly what you just wrote.

Then we gulp, and say Oops, thanks!

Happened recently..

Missed the street I normally turn into.
As i watched it pass by I said "ugh. Missed it."

Twenty seconds later I see same turn approaching.

.. And I squint and exclaim aloud, "No F..ing way!"

And in a flash Master's illuminated smile says, "way."


But that damn voice in my head, BURNER ON!, had been so clear and distinct. And it had appeared all on its own, since I hadn't been thinking about anything related to my breakfast when the alert popped into my mind.

I have a theory. Bear with me.

Before the red hot glowing orb appeared you said you
were idly listening to the radio likely not thinking about much of anything except the latest Trump escapade.

That's when a strong, unseen gust began to buffet the
windmills of your mind and the mechanical governor
kicked in to prevent damage from the over-spinning
blades. Just call it the Trumpian wind phenomenon.

The smooth working neural channels in the mind began
to heat up. The governor had to rescue its synapses
from damage. But how? Ah, cook up some doubt and
fear about a mundane event. Play the distraction game.

All of it happens in the blink of an eye while you listen
innocently to things "outside yourself". The only antidote
is mindfulness. Examine what enters your mind. Note
the often subtle currents of anger, disdain, and, yes,
even the odd demonic image coursing through your
brain. Save yourself before the sheriff has to shut you
down.


But that damn voice in my head, BURNER ON!, had been so clear and distinct. And it had appeared all on its own, since I hadn't been thinking about anything related to my breakfast when the alert popped into my mind.

I have a theory. Bear with me.

Before the red hot glowing orb appeared you said you
were idly listening to the radio likely not thinking about much of anything except the latest Trump escapade.

That's when a strong, unseen gust began to buffet the
windmills of your mind and the mechanical governor
kicked in to prevent damage from the over-spinning
blades. Just call it the Trumpian wind phenomenon.

The smooth working neural channels in the mind began
to heat up. The governor had to rescue its synapses
from damage. But how? Ah, cook up some doubt and
fear about a mundane event. Play the distraction game.

All of it happens in the blink of an eye while you listen
innocently to things "outside yourself". The only antidote
is mindfulness. Examine what enters your mind. Note
the often subtle currents of anger, disdain, and, yes,
even the odd demonic image coursing through your
brain. Save yourself before the sheriff has to shut you
down.

Burner on / Burner off hypocrisy suits atheists because such hypocrisy suppresses the vedic science of Sungazing which can free countries from hunger driven slavery. Celebrate at this hypocrisy and celebrate slavery of people by corporates, media and elected governments.

Heh, no, just my joke, Spence!

Or attempted joke, I should say : On revisiting, I find my “joke” more smart-ass-y than actually funny, and I wish I had resisted the temptation of posting it! It fully deserved to fall flat on its face, as it seems to have done here.

Unless … wait a minute, unless you’re Poe-ing me as well?! Are you?

Incidentally, Brian : In addition to all of your talents (your writing, your steadfast unwavering following of your former path, and your subsequent no-nonsense coming to grips with reality), I have to say, you seem to have quite a knack for photography as well! I mean, your camera makes even a pedestrian burner flame look dramatic and arty!

Of course, I suppose that is what art is all about at the end of the day : more about the medium than the subject. If it’s primarily about the subject then it’s more reportage than art per se.

(Not that even simple reportage can be really effective without a certain art, but still.)

Hi Appreciative
What if it wasn't your joke?
But God's?

Hi, Spence.

Sure, who can say?

I personally would think it extremely unlikely, and would not care to interpret spirituality in such fantastic and dramatic terms : but then what do I know, for sure I mean?

If you choose to interpret what happened as literally a miracle, then I have no wish to hurt your feelings (or to disturb your faith) by contesting this. Which is why I said I found my joke, on revisiting, to be a tad tasteless, and that I wish I hadn't made it at all.

And nor was it my intention to really challenge your personal thinking -- except in a friendly, collaborative fashion, and with your consent -- in that other thread, where I've just posted another comment addressed to you.

There's no sense in unnecessarily disturbing others' faith, especially given my own lack of definitive knowledge one way or the other. Live and let live, I say, as long as people don't try to force their beliefs down others' throats -- which you don't, Spence, not per my lights, except perhaps ever so gently at times, so gently that it isn't objectionable. :-)

Appreciative
The joke was exceptional for a number of reasons.

First, we live in a mystery, and what you wrote could be true. We are ignorant and presume and judge many things wrongly.

Second, it could be God's joke, to show how nearly blind we are to each moment, even to our own fears and psychology. And it could be superstition.

What Brian calls intuition was just fear. He had no means to distinguish these three: fear, superstition and actual intuition.

I'm pretty sure he never believed it was intuition. He chose to label his fear and by doing so define others' intuition and superstition as his own fear.

When there is no fear at all, then you get awareness, and intuition.

The experience I cited for myself is completely true. There is no physical explanation that is known to science.

Only a psychological or a spiritual one.

But which to believe?

Brian made a choice. I tend to make a different choice.

But each of us makes that choice, simply to get on with life.

Same Christians who were shouting about Inventions at the top of their voice have gone silent on living without food by Sungazing, Is this Pseudo Christianity or True Christianity. Perhaps they cannot digest the power of vedic science because their hearts are rotten.

Spence, I'd say that Brian's "voice" was simply what happens to all of us, in terms of wondering if we've forgotten to lock the door (and returning back to cross-check). I suppose it's normal enough behavior (unless it crosses the line in terms of frequency to OCD land -- and even then it merely remains somewhat dysfunctional, it does not actually cross over into paranormal territory).

As for what happened to you, that deja vu : I have no clue how that might have happened, and nor will I attempt pseudo-explanations. Although mundane explanations do spring to mind, but then so do non-mundane ones as well -- except I suppose I personally tend to go with the mundane unless there' overwhelming reason to go for the non-mundane explanation.

My point is, there is no need to hinge our spirituality on to such fantastic occurances. Spirituality is effective enough, for me, without necessarily bringing miracles into it.

Does what I say mean there are no miracles? Obviously not! My thinking (or yours) can hardly impact what's actually happened (or hasn't happened), 'out there' as it were. Should what happend to you have happened to me, no doubt I'd look around for explanations myself (although I suppose I'd first start with seeing if the ordinary everyday possibilities might apply, but that's just me).

Vinny
Can a camel buy a plane ticket to Moscow?

You ask others to consider things too far from their own experience or thinking.

It's OK, I do it all the time.

People tell me it's pie in the sky... But I tell them..

Don't tell me it's pie in the sky when there are footprints on the moon.

Hi Appreciative

You wrote

"Does what I say mean there are no miracles? Obviously not! My thinking (or yours) can hardly impact what's actually happened (or hasn't happened), 'out there' as it were. Should what happend to you have happened to me, no doubt I'd look around for explanations myself (although I suppose I'd first start with seeing if the ordinary everyday possibilities might apply, but that's just me)."

That may limit you capacity to be aware of what is happening around you.

Then you may be wondering about things, and not remember, because your mind was occupied, whether or not you left the burner on or locked the door.

The world doesn't always need an explanation. Humans don't do a very good or honest job explaining things. If we can honestly accept and experience things as they are, which is well beyond what we can understand, then these things happen all the time, because we aren't attempting to squeeze life into the tiny box of our mental conception. And we then keep ourselves open to experiences, within as well as sensory.

A general attitude of openness and an attitude of thankfulness helps keep the camera lens wide open.

Spencer Tepper , its neither pie in the sky nor camel's plane ticket to Moscow. You are a coward who cannot digest the superiority of vedic practice of Sungazing with scientific research on it. You are a coward who wants to hide behind Jesus who advocated purity of heart not cunningness.

That may limit you capacity to be aware of what is happening around you.


I'm sorry, I don't see why that should be so. After all, I'm not rejecting that other possibility out of hand. It is just a question of what appears (subjectively, to me) to be more probable.

If Brian imagines he'd left his burner on, and subsequently finds he hadn't, then to me it appears infinitely more probable that he'd merely been mistaken. But if some other event somewhere admitted of no other plausible explanation other than the extra-ordinary -- and if the extra-ordinary explanation were plausible -- well, then, if would be absurd not to accept it. I'm perfectly open to accepting such explanation in such case.

Why then would this keep me from being aware of what's happening around me?


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A general attitude of openness and an attitude of thankfulness helps keep the camera lens wide open.


This I agree with cent per cent.

What is more, it has also been my experience that protracted spiritual practice -- protracted meditation of whatever stripe -- automatically tends to result in a spontaneous feeling of gratefulness. This simply happens, without necessarily having to weigh the pros and cons of deliberately maintaining an attitude of thankfulness. I don't know why this should be so : but it has been both my observation and my experience that this is so.

So I suppose we're in agreement about this.

Except : this latter does not in any way depend on the former. That is, I am able to grateful for a thousand tiny miracles in my life without necessarily having to believe fantastic explanations for everyday events (when, that is, everyday explanations suffice to explain whatever it is I'm trying to explain).

These imaginations can be dangerous, carnal imaginations will lead to sexual arousal and release of energy from lower aperture, killing the foundation of self discipline which is cultivated Celibacy.

Hi Appreciative

You wrote

"That is, I am able to grateful for a thousand tiny miracles in my life without necessarily having to believe fantastic explanations for everyday events (when, that is, everyday explanations suffice to explain whatever it is I'm trying to explain)."

Yes this is my point. You don't need explanations, Fantastic or ordinary.

They get in the way of seeing and understanding.

Well now people of earth, this is God speaking. It is my Will to reveal to you that I did not make a joke. I never make jokes. Not even smart-ass-y ones (although I do kinda like that term). For those of you who believe in intuition, well the court is out on that matter, how to prove such a thing exists. Now there is a fella some people call Kal who is very tricky and likes a bit of mischief, for instance putting thoughts into someones brain like you better dash back home to check on the kettle or suchlike. So you better stop blaming me for all sorts of nonsense its this other Kal guy who really enjoys messing with people's minds and anyway it is all illusion innit.

Should have included this in my comment:

Spencer said:
"What if it wasn't your joke?
But God's?"

Its okay guys, I'm not totally crazy (not yet anyway) ;)

You are not the best of our species to be tested on intuition

Like myself you are old and have to take measures to prevent mistakes
like this, due to dying braincells before they are copied

I found a nice ANTI INTUITION method
You can write of it was yes or no
You can also activate neighbouring braincells by adding a unique gesture
for instance "click two times on the stove"

That one you will remember
and the false intuition is dead at the start

This will become way more intense Brian , causing many deaths before their time
All Karma

If God wants to wan you, he will give you a serendipity, 110% impossible to ignore

A happening that the churches would pay a trillion to be !

Good luck with the sales of that house

77

btw
Simran helps the brain big time and not thinking even more

I have a question
Would you dare attend a USA Gurinder Satsang , if I pay the expenses ?

Not my intuition , this question , remembering Jim
but it might learn you some


Instead of genuflecting in abject surrender at this double miracle,

Like the Sailer falling in the Ocean shouting "God Help" !

A line came out of the sky
and he shouted
No God , forget it, athey throwed me a line


777

777 writes,......”I have a question
Would you dare attend a USA Gurinder Satsang , if I pay the expenses ?
Not my intuition , this question , remembering Jim
but it might learn you some”

Me: All it takes is once to know the real indentity of a Poser, when he exposes his sexual thoughts in a Spiritual Satsang. I wouldn’t walk accross the street in my home town to hear him, now, after traveling accross the planet to hear him expose himself only once.

The Bible asks, ...”Can an Ethiopian change his color?” And “Can a Leopard loose its spots?”

Jim asks,......”Can a dirty old man posing as God In Human Form be trusted in a room full of young innocent female Virgins begging him to “Initiate” them, after he exposes he has butts and 69s on his mind?

But,.......Brian might go, if Gurinder forgives him for all of his past negaitive P.R. and takes him back in to Satsang with Lane , and publishes their Books in RSSB. 😇

Hello Brian - ever thought that the Creator planted that thought into your mind to make you turn around to avoid something ahead. Perhaps a car accident or a random man with a nice near the coffee station who would not have liked the look of you when you out of the car.


Have a great day:-)

* a random man with a knife. I meant in my post above

Quote Spencer :
Yes this is my point. You don't need explanations, Fantastic or ordinary.

They get in the way of seeing and understanding.


Ah, I get you now. And I agree with you there.

We do compulsively keep on thinking, thinking, thinking away. (As you’d pointed out earlier on yourself.) Our cognitive faculty, which is an excellent tool, does in the “normal” course tend to run amok, careering away on its own path, wild and wholly uncontrolled.

Absolutely, that would get in the way of “seeing”. And absolutely, this needs to be controlled.

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However : I don’t agree with the second part of what you say. You say that this gets in the way of seeing and understanding. And that second part makes no sense.

When you seek to disengage from compulsive thinking -- and it’s far easier said than done, and a rather wonderful achievement in itself, even if “achieved” only partly -- then you’re simply ceasing to attempt to “understand”.

“Understanding”, whether attempted deliberately or carried on unawares, is essentially a cognitive process. Even when you look up at thunder (or a switched-off burner) and interpret it as God’s miracle, you’re basically thinking. Even this understanding of yours, this recognition of “God’s joke”, is based firmly on “thinking”. The fact that you’ve got “God” tagged on to your thoughts does not mean that it isn’t thinking, does it?!

So absolutely, I agree that our thinking tends to get compulsive, and it’s a great idea to attempt to give it a rest -- indeed, doing that, by means of simple observation, is in itself a bona fide form of meditation -- but I’m afraid this has nothing to do with “understanding”, as you’re saying there.

All of what you say, both here and elsewhere, is wholly predicated on thinking. When thoughts stop, so does speech. And so does understanding. It makes no sense at all to object to one form of compulsive thinking, while merrily carrying on with another kind of compulsive thinking (and imagining that this second kind of thinking -- which isn’t a different kind of thinking at all -- isn't “thinking”, isn’t “understanding).

Unless, of course, you’re referring to the deeper understanding that is said to well up by itself when thought stops? I’m afraid I’m yet to observe this phenomenon in myself, so that is something I won’t -- can't -- speak about.

Quote 777 :
No God , forget it, athey throwed me a line


Nice! :-)

And, I suppose, a perfect analogy for Brian’s burner episode. (Provided you care to adopt this POV.)

Which is why I so very much regret that hasty joke of mine. These are deep waters, and only a fool laughs at what he does not know and does not fully understand. For a space, I had been that fool myself, in cracking that joke.

The only time ridicule is acceptable in matters of this sort -- per my lights -- is when you’re laughing at a closed-minded bigot who’s parading his fundamentalism, perhaps attempting to force his beliefs on to others. And that is emphatically not the case here, at all!


…Which, of course, is not to go overboard and get all gooey, espying God’s direct miracle in every event! Literally espying miracles, I mean to say -- it's a great idea to be able to see miracles, metaphorically, in every small thing in one’s life. That’s a whole different thing, the metaphorical recognition of miracles : that’s a matter of attitude, nothing else, and one that I would say is a lovely idea. Provided that sort of thing appeals to you : and yes, it does appeal to me, personally, at least at times.

Hi Jim
""room full of young innocent female Virgins"""
WOOOOOW
That phenomenonon does not exist
But your mind is existing for sure since that day
3 weeks seeing the planet , . . . 12 power seconds did it all
Don't You see Sir
This has become a kind of wishfull_Jimmy_Swaggert_Contemplation
Jim, go to a brothel and see if you have compassion somewhere
in that judgemental brain

-------------


Wow AP
You always define things very well and you know english

Arjuna*
""a random man with a knife. I meant in my post above""
We laughed our heart out triple LOL

Gurinder too , . . . not easy to get this ridiculous blog alive
to remain in peace HIMself

777

PS
Sorry BabaJi, I forgot Your Master plays 7th dimensional chess
What a relief you need nothing to do


777

For those who never read my posts
THIS is exactly the definition of a God in Human Form ( GIHF )

Nothing than serendipities, ( miracles ) , all the time
and He s SO admiring the Doer (His Master ) all the time

777


JIM SAID
But,.......Brian might go, if Gurinder forgives him for all of his past negaitive P.R. and takes him back in to Satsang with Lane , and publishes their Books in RSSB.


Jim, you are really what they call " A Dirty Old Man"
Gurinder has put the naked lady on the ground a long time ago

I ask Brian to olace my post you withhold about Jims archeological non compassionate dogma attitude

777

777 writes,....”Jim, you are really what they call " A Dirty Old Man"

Me: But 777, it was YOU who posted a link to the porno cams you watch, not me. Let’s call a Spade a Spade. You aren’t fooling any one that reads here.

We know who are Dirty old men and who are Saints. 😇

@ Jim - how are you Sir? How were your recent travels?

@ Arjuna,...I am fine. Thanks for asking. I posted a short report on my recent travels on my blog, which you msy read there. Thanks.

http://eternaloasisofsouls.blogspot.com/2018/05/touring-tibet-china.html

@ Jim looking forward to reading it.

Speak soon

Aruna, no, I never thought my "burner on" intuition was a message from God. It simply was an incorrect message from my own mind.

@ Brian. Hope you are right 😀

What is wrong on our Planet :
They : Misses compassion

How come :

D O G M A

777

Hi Appreciative

You wrote

"it's a great idea to be able to see miracles, metaphorically, in every small thing in one’s life. That’s a whole different thing, the metaphorical recognition of miracles : that’s a matter of attitude, nothing else, and one that I would say is a lovely idea. Provided that sort of thing appeals to you : and yes, it does appeal to me, personally, at least at times."

Yes, those are the only miracles there are. And they are incredible.

Evolution is miraculous. The idea that a few forces and chemicals could, over billions of years, bounce a few trillion times around into us is astounding, and wonderful. What an amazing system! I'm humbled, and thankful.

Hi AP

You wrote
"The only time ridicule is acceptable in matters of this sort -- per my lights -- is when you’re laughing at a closed-minded bigot who’s parading his fundamentalism, perhaps attempting to force his beliefs on to others. And that is emphatically not the case here, at all!"

Could that judgmental fundamentalist be a dogmatic Atheist as well, criticizing or ridiculing with laughter any belief in something science hasn't captured yet?

Even science acknowledges they have only documented and explained adequately much less than half what occurs here.

Hi again Appreciative

I noticed you wrote this

"When you seek to disengage from compulsive thinking -- and it’s far easier said than done, and a rather wonderful achievement in itself, even if “achieved” only partly -- then you’re simply ceasing to attempt to “understand”."

Actually there is a good deal of anecdotal literature and some research on cognitive and other forms of demanding performance (design, athletics, mental tasks) that says we comprehend better, are more alert, and actually solve problems better when the higher brain is not pre-occupied, but in a restful, and focused, alert status.

Many discoveries, inventions, even symphonies, took hold of their 'author' not as one final logical step amidst a torrent of thought, but in a brilliant flash of inspiration all at once, often after they had left the problem for the time being, when their higher cognitive functions, completely awake, are relatively unoccupied.

How much understanding can be taught? And how much must be caught?

I don't think science supports your claim, AP.


Quote Spence :
"Yes, those are the only miracles there are. And they are incredible.

Evolution is miraculous. The idea that a few forces and chemicals could, over billions of years, bounce a few trillion times around into us is astounding, and wonderful. What an amazing system! I'm humbled, and thankful."


Agreed! Simply contemplating all of these things -- not to mention, at the personal level, the inevitable cessation of our personal selves -- can, at times, be unbearably wondrous, tragic and yet uplifting, insignificant and yet momentous, despairing and yet uplifting, all at the same time!


Could that judgmental fundamentalist be a dogmatic Atheist as well, criticizing or ridiculing with laughter any belief in something science hasn't captured yet?


Absolutely! That's the slot I'd put myself in, after all, in this particular instance.

Interesting thought, on the side : These words, "Atheist", "Fundamentalist", they can, I suppose, be thought of in relative terms. After all, the fundamentalist Muslim is after all, often an atheist when it comes to other religions and other deities!

(Although not always -- sometimes the fundamentalist Muslim will acknowledge other deities, but think of them as demonic rather than Godly. And of course, my use of the word "Muslim" there is only as example. Case in point : There are some regular commenters on this blog itself, who'd been way more active in the earlier days than they are now but who occasionally emerge from woodwork once in a while even these days, who are brilliantly rational in their deconstruction and take-down of Sant Mat beliefs, but who, astonishingly, are unthinkingly steeped in their own superstitions as regards their own pet God-ideas, as well as in their opinion that Sant Mat Gurus and ideas and demonic! I mean, how crazy is that : First denounce Sant Mat ideas as irrational, and then, suddenly, turn around and call those demonic, wholly oblivious of the irony there!)


Actually there is a good deal of anecdotal literature and some research on cognitive and other forms of demanding performance (design, athletics, mental tasks) that says we comprehend better, are more alert, and actually solve problems better when the higher brain is not pre-occupied, but in a restful, and focused, alert status.

Many discoveries, inventions, even symphonies, took hold of their 'author' not as one final logical step amidst a torrent of thought, but in a brilliant flash of inspiration all at once, often after they had left the problem for the time being, when their higher cognitive functions, completely awake, are relatively unoccupied.

How much understanding can be taught? And how much must be caught?

I don't think science supports your claim, AP.


Agreed.

One needn't go all "enlightened" or even "spiritual" to access this "higher understanding", as one may roughly call it.


Although -- if you'll pardon my incorrigible nitpicking -- even this isn't "understanding" per se. It is inspiration, it is intuition, but it isn't understanding.

An Einstein may have all manner of astounding ideas revealed to them via this intuition or inspiration, but then it takes a great deal of regular normal cognitive effort to translate that into actual ideas, spelt out clearly and worked on. (That old saw -- attributed to Edison unless I'm mistaken -- about genius being 1% inspiration and 99% perspiration, comes to mind.)

So if you're someone who's able to literally not think (either consciously and deliberately, or accidentally), and content not to think most times, then your inspirations stay simply fuzzy inspirations (and indeed, I'd say, fizzle out into forgetfulness and hazy half-remember nothingness) in the absence of conscious deliberate translation into cognitive structures.

I don't think you can have "understanding", as such, in the absence of thinking, at all.


Unless, again, we're speaking of that deeper understanding that, they say, one is able to access when thinking does stop fully. And again, not having personally accessed that state (yet?), I'd rather not speculate about that. For all I know that could be no more than urban myth! Or should it be "desert myth", or "forest myth", or "hermit's mountain cave myth", or something like that? :-)

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