Comments on Recollections of Sant Mat and Charan SinghTypePad2013-06-27T04:12:49ZBrian Hineshttps://hinessight.blogs.com/church_of_the_churchless/tag:typepad.com,2003:https://hinessight.blogs.com/church_of_the_churchless/2013/06/recollections-of-sant-mat-and-charan-singh/comments/atom.xml/Blogger Brian commented on 'Recollections of Sant Mat and Charan Singh'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e201b8d0a8a262970c2014-12-14T02:47:44Z2014-12-14T02:47:46ZBlogger Brianhttp://profile.typepad.com/brihinesThanks for clarifying. We agree! I'm not 100% sure about anything. I certainly haven't made up my mind about Sant...<p>Thanks for clarifying. We agree! I'm not 100% sure about anything. I certainly haven't made up my mind about Sant Mat, not completely. I still hope some or all of the Sant Mat teachings are true, because that would be super great for my afterlife.</p>
<p>I just base my life on probabilities, as we all do. The probability Sant Mat, or any religion, is true/correct strikes me as very low. So until I see evidence that changes my mind, I'll keep on living my life accordingly.</p>observer commented on 'Recollections of Sant Mat and Charan Singh'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e201b7c71ef38c970b2014-12-14T00:34:48Z2014-12-14T03:16:24ZobserverBrian, I consider an 'open' mind to be an 'unknowing' mind. You consider an open mind to be a positive...<p>Brian, </p>
<p>I consider an 'open' mind to be an 'unknowing' mind. You consider an open mind to be a positive power. Maybe what you see as positive may actually be negative, as in you have now defined in your mind that Sant Mat is totally wrong.</p>
<p>Yes, of course I still use the mind, just like you and of course I have changed my mind and my opinions many times. I am also aware that the mind is very tricky.</p>
<p>The difference is that I have not 'made up my mind' that Sant Mat is totally right or totally wrong.</p>Blogger Brian commented on 'Recollections of Sant Mat and Charan Singh'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e201bb07c391f4970d2014-12-13T23:59:50Z2014-12-13T23:59:51ZBlogger Brianhttp://profile.typepad.com/brihinesobserver, so you've never changed your mind about anything in your life? And if you did, you consider that this...<p>observer, so you've never changed your mind about anything in your life? And if you did, you consider that this was the doing of a "negative power"?</p>
<p>Wow. I consider open-mindedness to be a positive power.</p>
<p>Also, you do realize that choosing the "not knowing" path is a choice by the mind, don't you? Or are you the only human in the world who can write blog comments without a mind? </p>
<p>Since the mind is the brain in action, if you say "yes" to that last question, you're saying you don't have a functioning brain. </p>observer commented on 'Recollections of Sant Mat and Charan Singh'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e201b8d0a88adc970c2014-12-13T22:20:32Z2014-12-14T03:16:24ZobserverBrian, I guess you were waiting for one of your 'watch dogs' to chase me off with some kind of...<p>Brian, </p>
<p>I guess you were waiting for one of your 'watch dogs' to chase me off with some kind of abusive comment.</p>
<p>No, as you very well know, I'm not talking about the devil from the Bible, but the negative power, Kal, which is mind.</p>
<p>It's not the 'supernatural route' its about you 'changing' your mind about the path of Sant Mat. You now believe you have woken up. </p>
<p>I know you don't believe in a supernatural god in some heaven showering divine grace at her every whim. Neither do I. So, sarcasm aside, you do seem to believe now that you were deluded in following Sant Mat. </p>
<p>I agree that Sant Mat seems very fanciful and our reasoning mind rejects so much of the belief system that it prescribes. This is why I choose the 'not knowing' path.</p>Blogger Brian commented on 'Recollections of Sant Mat and Charan Singh'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e201b8d0a8819b970c2014-12-13T20:10:21Z2014-12-13T20:10:27ZBlogger Brianhttp://profile.typepad.com/brihinesobserver, wow... you're using the "devil made me do it" argument? I realize this is a favorite of Christians, but...<p>observer, wow... you're using the "devil made me do it" argument? I realize this is a favorite of Christians, but geez, it makes no sense. </p>
<p>If we want to go down the supernatural route, it seems a lot more likely that the Positive Power, God, showered her grace on me to keep me from being deluded about her divine nature. </p>june schlebusch commented on 'Recollections of Sant Mat and Charan Singh'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e201b7c71e8054970b2014-12-13T07:18:03Z2014-12-13T19:30:30Zjune schlebuschObserver Iread your comment with interest..I followed the sound current and got to a{place, Point?} not sure what, but knew...<p>Observer Iread your comment with interest..I followed the sound current and got to a{place, Point?} not sure what, but knew it would lead somewhere..I did not like the direction it was leading as I did not like what I was becoming..I,m more comfortable with The Cloud of Unknowing..I just can't trust a man to determine my direction anymore.</p>observer commented on 'Recollections of Sant Mat and Charan Singh'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e201bb07c2f778970d2014-12-12T21:40:38Z2014-12-13T01:51:55Zobserver"I felt an overwhelming wave of evil and that evil was associated with Radhasoami; I experienced the entire RS Master/Initiate...<p>"I felt an overwhelming wave of evil and that evil was associated with Radhasoami; I experienced the entire RS Master/Initiate relationship as sinister and manipulative."</p>
<p>Isn't this the negative power? Doesn't this happen when a satsangi is getting very close to full inner realisation of self? I often think when I read your postings Brian, that you as well as others like tucson reached some kind of threshold where Kal really started to take notice. Just like this fella quoted in this thread.</p>
<p>Also, when I read about satsangis wanting to commit suicide because it all gets too much. It gets difficult and we do get pushed to the limit but even if we do have doubts and want to chuck it all in, its a choice and we can just keep going with an unknowing attitude. Having an open mind and 'Not knowing' really helps imo.</p>
<p>I think there is also pressure to conform to the scientific viewpoint and anyone who experiences anything different is put down and told to use the reasoning, logical side of the brain. So we keep our silence and use the intuitive part of the brain with logic and reason, balance in all things. Also comment here on your blog Brian :)</p>H commented on 'Recollections of Sant Mat and Charan Singh'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e201b7c71de2c7970b2014-12-12T14:17:44Z2014-12-13T01:51:55ZHBrian, aren't his experiences examples of what RS is talking about? Granted they didn't come during meditation, but he claims...<p>Brian, aren't his experiences examples of what RS is talking about? Granted they didn't come during meditation, but he claims to have experienced the astral form of the master no?</p>hope commented on 'Recollections of Sant Mat and Charan Singh'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e201b7c6f7de8e970b2014-10-22T00:18:52Z2014-10-22T00:18:52ZhopeMy name is hope Smith from united states of america. I never believed in love spells or magic until i...<p>My name is hope Smith from united states of america. I never believed in love spells or magic until i met this spell caster once when i went to Africa in February this year on a business summit. I meant a man who’s name is Dr johnson oracle he is really powerful and could help cast spells to bring back one’s gone, lost, misbehaving lover and magic money spell or spell for a good job or luck spell .I’m now happy & a living testimony cos the man i had wanted to marry left me 3 weeks before our wedding and my life was upside down cos our relationship has been on for 3years. I really loved him, but his mother was against us and he had no good paying job. So when i met this spell caster, i told him what happened and explained the situation of things to him. At first i was undecided, skeptical and doubtful, but i just gave it a try. And in 7 days when i returned to Canada, my boyfriend (now husband) called me by himself and came to me apologizing that everything had been settled with his mom and family and he got a new job interview so we should get married. I didn’t believe it cos the spell caster only asked for my name and my boyfriends name and all i wanted him to do. Well we are happily married now and we are expecting our little kid, and my husband also got the new job and our lives became much better. His email is (udehomeofsolution@gmail.com)<br />
</p>just me commented on 'Recollections of Sant Mat and Charan Singh'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e20192abdf8910970d2013-07-05T00:18:28Z2013-07-05T03:00:21Zjust meBrian, hope you will post this, a bit off topic but as a Charan initiate, this is now where I...<p>Brian, hope you will post this, a bit off topic but as a Charan initiate, this is now where I am at...</p>
<p>to the9thGate - I think, or maybe I should say I feel, that you will enjoy this movie... taking back your power...</p>
<p>THE COSMIC GIGGLE (full film) (1:03:54)</p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3lhOX1aY5DE" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3lhOX1aY5DE</a></p>
<p>A documentary film that explores the human energy field’s dynamic relationship with our environment…</p>
<p>"The Cosmic Giggle is a randomly roving zone of synchronicity and statistical anomaly.</p>
<p> Should you be caught up in it, it will turn reality on its head.</p>
<p> It is objective and subjective, simultaneously “really there” and yet somehow sustained by imagination and expectation."</p>
<p>Quote: Terence McKenna</p>777 commented on 'Recollections of Sant Mat and Charan Singh'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e201901e1ec3e8970b2013-07-04T11:44:39Z2013-07-07T02:05:16Z777the9thgate that is a beautiful name i would say : the highest if there was any highest :) 777 7.77@mail.com<p>the9thgate<br />
that is a beautiful name<br />
i would say : the highest <br />
if there was any highest :)</p>
<p>777<br />
7.77@mail.com</p>Mike Williams commented on 'Recollections of Sant Mat and Charan Singh'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e20191041378dc970c2013-07-04T03:48:26Z2013-07-04T17:20:29ZMike WilliamsYou can't die anymore, no joke. Religion is dead. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gzlNoyCUkAM<p>You can't die anymore, no joke.<br />
Religion is dead.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gzlNoyCUkAM" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gzlNoyCUkAM</a></p>the9thGate commented on 'Recollections of Sant Mat and Charan Singh'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e201901e1cb64a970b2013-07-04T00:18:28Z2013-07-04T17:20:29Zthe9thGateI can't speak for anybody else but in my personal experience; after all my reading and praying and meditation (maybe...<p>I can't speak for anybody else but in my personal experience; after all my reading and praying and meditation (maybe not the sufficient amount according to some and I agree somewhat);all I can say is...I have not reached any closer to the ideals I once had as a young person, my fantasies were there to be broken; I dreamt up some idyllic scenario where I have a soul which can be romanced; I felt more love and longing in my lonely frustration than I did in the company of a thousand satsangi's; in spite of whatever love and longing I felt I am none the wiser, not even half the man I feel I should be in terms of spiritual development. Perhaps this is my purpose. I could play my role on this Earth cheerfully but then I would not be doing it any service as the cynic I have been born to play. A cynic that secretly hopes to be wrong everyday. Goodnight all</p>cc commented on 'Recollections of Sant Mat and Charan Singh'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e20192abb8dd24970d2013-06-28T17:47:02Z2013-06-28T18:00:49ZccBrian, maybe you should start a blog about the Sant Mat religion because there are a lot of disciples and...<p>Brian, maybe you should start a blog about the Sant Mat religion because there are a lot of disciples and ex-disciples who need to vent, but most of what they say is lost on the unititiated. Church of the Churchless should be non-denominational. </p>777 commented on 'Recollections of Sant Mat and Charan Singh'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e2019103ec05f3970c2013-06-28T09:57:43Z2013-06-28T18:00:49Z777Thank You Sceptic Tony, Have you ever seen a diamond that is - a appearance of a say a 3...<p>Thank You Sceptic</p>
<p></p>
<p>Tony, <br />
Have you ever seen a diamond<br />
that is - a appearance of a say a 3 dimensional kind of 'object'</p>
<p>not as described a flash - although they come flashy but not with the random of a flash<br />
but yes a "suddenly" appearance</p>
<p>but more stable </p>
<p>stable that is that although it's half a second at the start,<br />
the observer sees an enless clarity in the thing<br />
and you have even time to do some study about it</p>
<p><br />
Of course these phenomenae are different per person<br />
but my wife and I had that once in a while at the start<br />
and my wife saw immediately Sawan Singh in it<br />
who 'saved' her at her raping incident in 1947 in now Pakistan</p>
<p>I said diamond s because of the extreme clearness<br />
as if the resolution is a billino x a billion<br />
although it's analogue, no pixels :)<br />
and it has volume</p>
<p>It was the beginning on the light side</p>
<p>like the extreme light at the end of the tunnel</p>
<p>For satsangis<br />
itr is what the Bardo Todol says exactly in the middle of the book</p>
<p><br />
ps<br />
On a forum like this , it would be nice if Charan-Gurinder initiated writers would start with: # </p>
<p> <br />
Beam me Up Scotty</p>
<p></p>
<p></p>
<p>Tony , in my case but opposed to the forum-tenure<br />
the strenth, the Power is in those words - 24/7</p>
<p>and in the person who gave them<br />
so<br />
from who do you have them?</p>Sandra commented on 'Recollections of Sant Mat and Charan Singh'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e20192abb450ed970d2013-06-28T07:52:27Z2013-06-28T18:00:49ZSandra777 I refuse to accept that humans are categorized whether they are satsangis or not. Moreover you think that there...<p>777<br />
I refuse to accept that humans are categorized whether they are satsangis or not.<br />
Moreover you think that there are Saints and Pseudo Saints. <br />
It is pure romance to think that there are humans who are saints.<br />
There are no saints at all. It’s fiction. It’s business.<br />
You are believing in fairy tales.<br />
And – to use your own words – you are a victim of fraud.</p>
<p>It’s your brain which does all these stories. Your experiences are pure imagination. It’s fact that the brain is able to produce hallucinations. Step out of your bubble and have a look!</p>Tony commented on 'Recollections of Sant Mat and Charan Singh'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e20192abb10da7970d2013-06-28T00:33:54Z2013-06-28T18:00:49ZTonyAlthough I never had fireworks in Sant Mat meditation, after a meditation in the middle of the night (eg. 3...<p>Although I never had fireworks in Sant Mat meditation, after a meditation in the middle of the night (eg. 3 - 5am), I would go back to sleep and often experience some awesome lucid dreams, including those that might be considered 'out of body' experiences (although I never verified whether they were any more than just cool dreams, and I suspect that's what they were).</p>
<p>I've done some mindfulness meditation at about the same time, but without the lucid dreams.</p>
<p>Could it be that concentrative meditation (as opposed to observational meditation) enhances dream lucidity ? Who knows.</p>Skeptic commented on 'Recollections of Sant Mat and Charan Singh'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e201901df1b9b3970b2013-06-27T23:50:38Z2013-06-28T18:00:49ZSkeptic777, you consistently creep me out, brother!<p>777, you consistently creep me out, brother!</p>777 commented on 'Recollections of Sant Mat and Charan Singh'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e201901df09022970b2013-06-27T21:04:59Z2013-06-28T18:00:50Z777Question : I start to believe after only few weeks on this blog that most writers are Not satsangis If...<p>Question :</p>
<p>I start to believe after only few weeks on this blog<br />
that most writers are Not satsangis</p>
<p>If "initiated" by a pseudo saint<br />
without any power<br />
any negative result is possible</p>
<p>even if they gave the right words<br />
there ios nothing <br />
and one is victim of fraud</p>
<p>Before the eye of the needle<br />
before the third Eye crooked tunnel,<br />
way before entering<br />
there is a profound silence</p>
<p>It's the place where the bible says God placed some cherubines<br />
to keep us out<br />
Symbolic talk it is around some perfect truth like in<br />
the Bardo Todol</p>
<p>The Boddisatwas are our own desires</p>
<p>Yogis, priests and all kind of "practicioners"<br />
might have approached that silence<br />
or have heard of it<br />
and they claim : "God is Silence"</p>
<p>and next start a spiritual business, . . of their own</p>
<p>The USA is a fruitful ground with classifieds in magazines :<br />
"Be a millionair, start your own church in 3 months"</p>
<p><br />
</p>777 commented on 'Recollections of Sant Mat and Charan Singh'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e201901defa99f970b2013-06-27T19:12:58Z2013-06-28T18:00:50Z777Your Ex-Satsangi came in at the right moment (???) He said :! ""Standing in my living room, I felt an...<p>Your Ex-Satsangi came in at the right moment (???)</p>
<p>He said :!<br />
""Standing in my living room, I felt an overwhelming wave of evil""</p>
<p>Funny , . that I just related to the same, 2 days ago<br />
my phrase about what Swami Ji writes on page 302 and how<br />
I also expirienced this blackness : <br />
that I could -(the Mind could)-<br />
easily and under the right stalin circumstances<br />
do<br />
everything devilish, we find everywhere described in history books . . . and much more !</p>
<p>This the catholic mystics from old said "the" dark night of the Soul"<br />
this is perhaps unavoidable, . . anyway in my case , having done mass-murder<br />
and remembering that</p>
<p>and I do not know for others<br />
(I believe there are also many angels )<br />
but<br />
this is my advise :</p>
<p>If such deep awareness comes<br />
and rivers of tears come also , because of it</p>
<p>DON'T STOP MEDITATION BECAUSE OF IT<br />
( yes He just was standing in the room - but med is not only while sitting )<br />
Go to the bottom, . . or better<br />
go to where the Guide -out of necessity- brings you for a relatively short time<br />
and I hesitate to say it in this group<br />
do e your 5 swords - They are All Excaliburs.</p>
<p>The trampoline will after this experience bring you to heights you never dreamed they were possible</p>
<p>stopping the black<br />
one also blocks the white</p>
<p>and more : you might live the rest of your life in fear of the devil you saw , next blaming the wrong one<br />
and miss totally the purpose of this life</p>
<p>Try it again, . . stop name calling here<br />
and BELIEVE IT</p>
<p>You are initiated</p>
<p>Most Satsangis don't want to be reborn<br />
perhaps it's also the wish of most ex-satsangis<br />
( if EX was possible )</p>
<p>That correspondant was really far already,<br />
it happens INSIDE the first crooked tunnel</p>
<p><br />
May karmas this time be more in line :)</p>
<p>PS<br />
There a a giant grand necessaty for this 'dark night' to happen before you<br />
can't cross the eye of the needle<br />
and<br />
Realisations coming, experiences that a satsangi will dive in are so enormous</p>
<p>and go so together together with a majestic feelings<br />
, yet if one deconnects a nano-second the link with the Guide, The Satguru<br />
that <br />
the mind seeing you comming back from meditations<br />
starts nagging you with the thought of being God,<br />
and seduce you to start your own RS group,<br />
blocking you and what you ever collected it vanished to pseudo disci<br />
ples</p>
<p>If not those black experiences would occur beforhand<br />
and you know for sure<br />
you really are and were the Lowest scum<br />
and filth of the earth</p>
<p>you have no possibity to tell the mind that you are not God<br />
at least : that nothing of what IT ever established<br />
has any value as compared with the vibrations <br />
of the Shabad</p>
<p>I hope I was clear with my bad english<br />
and avoided sciptures you are all allergic to</p>
<p>Perhaps my presence is for this writer, perhaps for Brian, perhaps for Gaz to tell his parents<br />
perhaps only One reader</p>
<p>These Radha Soami Masters<br />
are collosal</p>
<p>They and other Masters of the Sound are the meaning, the purpose of the universes</p>
<p>If there was only One per Galaxy<br />
God had a Good time</p>
<p></p>
<p>Cheers again</p>tucson commented on 'Recollections of Sant Mat and Charan Singh'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e2019103e077e3970c2013-06-27T07:34:29Z2013-06-27T16:32:02Ztucson The ex-satsangi writer was lucky to get de-programmed so quickly after just 7 or 8 years of involvement with RSSB....<p>The ex-satsangi writer was lucky to get de-programmed so quickly after just 7 or 8 years of involvement with RSSB. It took me a few decades from the date of my first satsang in the summer of 1968 to wise-up. So, hats off to him.</p>
<p>He wrote:</p>
<p>"One way or another, I ended up in the Silverlake area of Los Angeles at the apartment of a somewhat dour, but not unlikable, woman named Mary Blakemore at a local "satsang." </p>
<p>My first encounter with RSSB and my first satsang was given by Mary Blakemore. I was invited to go by a friend. It was in the L.A. area for sure but I don't remember if it was a Silverlake apartment. She had a certain charisma and the teachings captivated my imagination rather than my reason. I purchased a copy of "Sar Bachan", sort of the bible of Sant Mat, at least the RSSB version of it.</p>
<p>After the Satsang we went to a vegetarian restaurant called H.E.L.P. which is now long gone but it was the hip veg restaurant in L.A. for a long time. I had steamed vegetables with a scoop of millet topped with chia seeds. I was sold that night in the summer of '68. The veg diet and the teachings just seemed right to me. </p>
<p>They say that once you form an emotional bond with a house when house-hunting, usually formed within the first few minutes of seeing it, you will rationalize away any negatives and buy it. That was how it was with me and Sant Mat.</p>
<p>The writer said he had a revelation after a number of years and experienced Sant Mat as "pure evil". I actually had that in the very beginning while reading Sar Bachan and some of the passages in it. But I had already bought the house and pushed those feelings, doubts and intuitions out of my mind. I wanted it to be real and true. So, I made it that way...for decades.</p>
<p>I heard Mary Blakemore developed her own following and moved away from L.A. to New Jersey or someplace and had her own little Sant Mat splinter group.</p>
<p>I actually ended up working at HELP for a while making sandwiches, but I wasn't fast enough (I sweated the details) so I was made dishwasher. There was no pleasing the very intense owner, Warren Stagg, and I flew the coop. The kitchen was pretty filthy and I wouldn't eat there after seeing what went on behind the swinging kitchen doors.</p>