Comments on Early editions of Radha Soami Satsang Beas books wantedTypePad2013-05-04T03:17:32ZBrian Hineshttps://hinessight.blogs.com/church_of_the_churchless/tag:typepad.com,2003:https://hinessight.blogs.com/church_of_the_churchless/2013/05/early-editions-of-radha-soami-satsang-beas-books-wanted/comments/atom.xml/777 commented on 'Early editions of Radha Soami Satsang Beas books wanted'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e202a2eec94c91200d2022-06-24T09:27:43Z2022-06-24T17:45:37Z777@Brian @All "I keep asking for evidence of this. I never get any." This is a lie I offered physical...<p><br />
@Brian @All<br />
"I keep asking for evidence of this. I never get any."</p>
<p>This is a lie <br />
I offered physical evidence several years</p>
<p>7</p>
<p>Posted by: 7 | June 23, 2022 at 12:55 PM</p>
<p>so here is the base<br />
If you promise to place it without editing / altering<br />
I will send the copt of the journal to you<br />
for all blog_members to see</p>
<p>This is my second request<br />
The first was deleted</p>
<p>777</p>John commented on 'Early editions of Radha Soami Satsang Beas books wanted'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e201b8d19e75fe970c2016-02-11T20:17:25Z2016-02-12T03:41:04ZJohnI have an original "Path of the Masters" bound in what I think is elephant hide. It is said that...<p>I have an original "Path of the Masters" bound in what I think is elephant hide.<br />
It is said that 200 copies were printed on "thin light weight Bible paper".... this being one of them.<br />
I am wondering if anyone can tell me about this printing.</p>observer commented on 'Early editions of Radha Soami Satsang Beas books wanted'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e201b7c7965422970b2015-06-01T06:27:04Z2015-06-02T03:19:15Zobserver777, I found the Vivaldi post. I hope Brian doesn't mind if I say that I liked especially... "Ever heard...<p>777, I found the Vivaldi post. I hope Brian doesn't mind if I say that I liked especially... </p>
<p>"Ever heard of very high levels of creation, where saint-like jeevas aspire to go yet higher and higher closer to the source and beg God to be reborn with a Third Eye so that they can yet more purify themselves taking sometimes upon them karma from their last 20 lives together. This here is a planet where that can happen and there are a few only in all the universes."</p>
<p>Makes sense to me, why the rich and powerful, greedy psychopaths rule the world and the sweet and humble people suffer...</p>One Initiated commented on 'Early editions of Radha Soami Satsang Beas books wanted'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e201a511760d99970c2014-02-25T20:30:47Z2014-02-26T03:21:11ZOne Initiatedhello everyone, I've some original copies in Hindi (native Indian language) but I need them with me. Scanning the whole...<p>hello everyone,</p>
<p>I've some original copies in Hindi (native Indian language) but I need them with me.<br />
Scanning the whole book would be cumbersome, but if anyone's interested, let me know and I can share the soft copies for specific pages or chapters.</p>
<p><br />
@777,</p>
<p>I want to discuss something with you in private.<br />
Could you please email me at [one DOT initiated AT gmail DOT com] ?</p>
<p><br />
regards,<br />
One Initiated</p>777 commented on 'Early editions of Radha Soami Satsang Beas books wanted'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e20192abcae9f0970d2013-06-30T15:24:27Z2013-07-01T03:34:20Z777Little point about Karma Indians generally think that heavy 'negative' karma is a sign of bad lives in the past...<p>Little point about Karma</p>
<p>Indians generally think that heavy 'negative' karma is a sign of bad lives in the past<br />
and they look down on such individuals in misery.</p>
<p>Ever heard of very high levels of creation, where saint-like jeevas aspire to go yet higher and higher closer to the source<br />
and beg God to be reborn with a Third Eye<br />
so that they can yet more purify themself<br />
taking somtimes upon them karma from their last 20 lives together</p>
<p>This here is a planet where that can happen and there are a few only in all the universes</p>
<p>To judge people with apperenly bad karma<br />
we have to know the direction of the wind<br />
of big bang day</p>
<p>Hope this gives another view on the karma theory</p>
<p>-<br />
The clochard under the bridhe might be a higher soul than ParBrahm ever can dream it was possible</p>
<p>and william<br />
you thought you had published the 5 words</p>
<p>NOT SO !</p>
<p>not that it would have mattered<br />
The difference between fission & fusion<br />
or clay and heated clay wich can kill<br />
when it hits you ( : Charan )</p>
<p><br />
-</p>
<p> </p>Moongoes commented on 'Early editions of Radha Soami Satsang Beas books wanted'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e20192ab6d84af970d2013-06-21T21:38:17Z2013-06-22T03:30:51ZMoongoesquote 777 Take Up your Simran and your life will change Moon: Who is this Simran guy hm..a famous bodybuilder...<p>quote 777<br />
Take Up your Simran and your life will change</p>
<p><br />
Moon: Who is this Simran guy hm..a famous bodybuilder maybe ,no?<br />
A Simran Milosevich no<br />
Simran Shaka Zulu..<br />
Simran Fittipaldi ?<br />
Just Paldi just Fitty</p>
<p>No i don't know the guy..</p>777 commented on 'Early editions of Radha Soami Satsang Beas books wanted'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e201901daa53f9970b2013-06-21T09:47:07Z2013-06-21T17:31:38Z777moongoes I think you r going throwing up whenI say this but : Could it be for our Good ?...<p>moongoes</p>
<p>I think you r going throwing up whenI say this but :</p>
<p>Could it be for our Good ?</p>
<p>Take Up your Simran and your life will change</p>
<p>It happened 3 times in my life<br />
Up & Down and Up & Down and middle</p>
<p>Cheers</p>777 commented on 'Early editions of Radha Soami Satsang Beas books wanted'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e20192ab68ccf7970d2013-06-21T09:41:49Z2013-06-21T17:31:38Z777That's my english I didn't want that my stay overthere was payed by poor indians so in the evening I...<p>That's my english</p>
<p>I didn't want that my stay overthere was<br />
payed by poor indians<br />
so in the evening I did some money in an envelop and<br />
found a post box somewher</p>
<p>I did that AFTER the administration refused my money</p>
<p>Haha, ... I'm a rebel too</p>Moongoes commented on 'Early editions of Radha Soami Satsang Beas books wanted'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e201901da8b355970b2013-06-21T05:51:59Z2013-06-21T17:31:38ZMoongoesquote 777: never paid a cent in 48 years and quote 777 : and I had to put an envelop...<p>quote 777: never paid a cent<br />
in 48 years<br />
and quote 777 : and I had to put an envelop<br />
in their box</p>
<p><br />
Moon: oxymoron<br />
</p>iloveDrAnn commented on 'Early editions of Radha Soami Satsang Beas books wanted'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e201901da74eb3970b2013-06-21T02:18:58Z2013-06-21T04:15:20ZiloveDrAnn777 - oh sorry, I forgot how important and powerful i once was! What would I be happy generating? Since...<p>777 - oh sorry, I forgot how important and powerful i once was!</p>
<p>What would I be happy generating?</p>
<p>Since I am currently an unemployed and senile god, totally off-line, i.e., not omnipotent and all that--- obviously any answer I could tender would be, at best, hilarious, and at worst beyond pitiful. </p>777 commented on 'Early editions of Radha Soami Satsang Beas books wanted'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e201901d9fae04970b2013-06-20T09:20:12Z2013-06-20T18:08:30Z777Cool Sant Mat Method It is the simpliest of the simple Like you see a beautiful woman and you can...<p>Cool Sant Mat Method</p>
<p>It is the simpliest of the simple</p>
<p>Like you see a beautiful woman <br />
and you can ask her to love you !</p>
<p>There is only One Commandment<br />
"Thou shall not steal"</p>
<p>and if you do, . . there is no punishment , . . you only have to give that back<br />
like an apple, a S3, A country a Smile, a planet, a life, . . .</p>
<p>AND IT WORKS</p>
<p>Radha Soami</p>
<p></p>
<p>ps<br />
never paid a cent<br />
in 48 years<br />
and when on the <br />
Dera in Beas<br />
they refused money<br />
and I had to put an envelop<br />
in their box</p>777 commented on 'Early editions of Radha Soami Satsang Beas books wanted'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e20192ab4fcbdb970d2013-06-19T18:09:34Z2013-06-20T03:27:33Z777iLoveDrAnn What would YOU be happy with generating if you were an omnipotent, omniscient Being ?? I asked Brian the...<p>iLoveDrAnn</p>
<p><br />
What would YOU be happy with generating<br />
if you were an omnipotent, omniscient Being ??</p>
<p>I asked Brian the same <br />
some time ago</p>
<p>He did not create the cruelty of this Darwin method, ... </p>
<p>WE did !</p>iloveDrAnn commented on 'Early editions of Radha Soami Satsang Beas books wanted'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e201901d90d34b970b2013-06-19T16:52:34Z2013-06-20T03:27:33ZiloveDrAnn777 - to those who want to believe in the Path of Sant Mat your testimonial to goose-bump inducing, religious...<p>777 - to those who want to believe in the Path of Sant Mat your testimonial to goose-bump inducing, religious serendipity will be a welcome addition to the stories they can pass on to the incredulous. However, for them's that do not find comfort any longer in "The Teachin's of the Saints" it will probably seem but a happy, interesting, yet essentially unconvincing anecdote. Why unconvincing? For starts, can it explain the enormous, swirling mysteries of the Universe, including the voracious miseries of all living creatures? Many think that such anecdotes, not matter how intriguing, dim and fail when compared with, say, a super massive black hole in the Andromeda Galaxy, or the blood and horror that has soaked this planet for millions of years.</p>777 commented on 'Early editions of Radha Soami Satsang Beas books wanted'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e201901d8eb0d0970b2013-06-19T11:53:02Z2013-06-20T03:27:34Z777OK Guys This is the moment to tell you about the Power of The SatGurus in Sant Mat back to...<p>OK Guys</p>
<p>This is the moment <br />
to tell you about <br />
the Power of The SatGurus in Sant Mat <br />
back to Melchesadech and a Giant Miracle</p>
<p>that could Not have happened - that is :</p>
<p>to make such a thing happen , the Doer should have to go back in history at least a hundred years, starting modifying circumstances.</p>
<p>Sometimes I think one has to re-do even the big bang to have this miracle happen<br />
the latest super nova is perhaps easier :)</p>
<p>The Beauty here is : I have physical PROOF°* that it happened<br />
I guess the Catholic church would be jubilant to the extreme when they had only ONE such PROOF of a miracle in their 2000 year history</p>
<p>Now, I place this story here , I will also place it on the more or less official yahoogroup <br />
because this is also so helpful for the many lovely Satsangis being less cynical - their Dharma, Dharmat goes endless more smoothly<br />
Many will have seen this undescribable emanation coming from The Satguru, a diamond radiation and everything in the ways of the rays changing in myriads forms of Gold and it's enormous<br />
it kills all objectivity - it's pure love- , <br />
you can never ever doubt, yes during my satsangi-ship I found out<br />
that the Person / Satguru Himself, being the center of this emanation on earth<br />
HE IS COMPLETELY NON-AWARE THAT THIS HAPPENS<br />
He s listening to the pathi, and tries to do His Simran<br />
and like you and me HE tries to do the best He Can<br />
He is just following orders<br />
and feels the lowly of the lowly<br />
see page 302 of Radha Soami Teaching of Lekh Raj Puri<br />
At a bandhara HE is just absorbed by the spndor of His Own Master<br />
like that one is bewitched by His Master<br />
and that's the way it goes . . . .</p>
<p>The Last are the first - <br />
Objectivity is often the ennemy of God</p>
<p><br />
So this is the story <br />
If any body is reckognizing me, . . please keep silent.</p>
<p><br />
Initiated in 1965 - I had the idea - This Path is much to difficult and exalted for me and if anything would result it's not by my force , neither my interest, c q love<br />
but two things of the vow-list I could easily do<br />
The non-meat and the Simran<br />
So I tried really hard this simran 24/7 and I started even using it which is not 'allowed' in business and so and I developped from a minus 1000 $ guy to the oppsite- then acquiring an IBM 360 at the time<br />
using that computer 'wisely'<br />
and came to a point that someone offered me a fantastic home in the Saint Tropez neighbourhood of France, I moved in</p>
<p>but that was after 6 years to costly and my father in law phoning often saying ;</p>
<p>"You have to come back" - a lot is mismanaged and they steal even</p>
<p>I said OK, at your next visit here <br />
please bring the bookkeeping papers and we go through it together</p>
<p>So he came and I said :<br />
Let's go to the beach and discuss and so we were on the beach and I saw that he was right and I had to give up this nice life<br />
( in Holland there is a verb "like God in France" - kidding )</p>
<p>Twenty meters of where we were sitting there was a man reading the local newspaper : "THE NICE MATIN"</p>
<p>It's rather heavy - full of advertisements<br />
anyway - the man there was putting the Journal in the sand and went to the sea to swim</p>
<p>The weather was mild with almost no wind</p>
<p>The moment that i agreed to return to Holland as a final decision and we were a sort of voting ) I said</p>
<p>"I choose for Holland"</p>
<p>At that precise moment the NICE MATIN<br />
by the force of the wind but I m not sure<br />
went airborn<br />
flew the whole 20 meters and landed halfway in my lap<br />
and opened ( the man had closed it)</p>
<p>Immediately as if it was written with big characteres in the middle of the opened page<br />
I saw written<br />
"Nous choissisons Vivaldi"</p>
<p>This was so heavy a chocker because<br />
in english this is</p>
<p>"WE CHOOSE VIVALDI" </p>
<p>that I immediately<br />
added and changed my decision<br />
in VIVALDI<br />
because Vivaldi is the owner of the super house where I still live<br />
and "WE" is pluralis majestatis<br />
which gives a lot of goose busting or bursting </p>
<p>Then we took that Journal of August , 2 1986 in our hands<br />
and saw that it was about the horse-racing in Gagnes-sur-Mer<br />
and that one of the experts , mentioning a little list of 9 horses<br />
had added his choice to be 'VIVALDI'</p>
<p>But this story hasn't ended yet</p>
<p>Looking to the list of the horses and yes, in the middle : there was Vivaldi<br />
but the last one had the name RIGHTLY which was so nice an addiction<br />
to the sphere we were in<br />
BUT the first Horse on the list had the exalted name :</p>
<p>MAHARAJI</p>
<p>I still consider this Nice Matin as a Recommended Letter and it was</p>
<p>Cheers Guys, also the infidels, :-) <br />
<3<br />
. . .</p>
<p>** I still possess this newpaper<br />
and I have given copies to certain satsangis<br />
because I will have it published ( also here ) after<br />
my body will be no more</p>
<p>In 1991 I have send a copy to Gurinder, narcisticly thinking that it would be a great help to Him<br />
and He answered me so nicely<br />
That it was no wonder that Charan <br />
helped his disciples and he thanked me for the letter and my narcistic invitation to come here for vacation</p>
<p>Sant Mat : There is much more to it<br />
Make yourself invulnerable Guys here<br />
and go in the Third Eye even while doing the NY Marathon<br />
or paying in the casino<br />
And try to hear that sweet tiny tone to start with<br />
It's not Tinnitis which is an ugly often painful phenomenon</p>
<p>Every jeeva in creation will go this way -soon or a few big bangs later</p>
<p>* - I changed the name of the landlord into another componist for privicy reasons</p>
<p>-</p>
<p><br />
</p>Sandra commented on 'Early editions of Radha Soami Satsang Beas books wanted'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e2019103822e4c970c2013-06-19T05:05:14Z2013-06-20T03:27:34ZSandraMike, O yes, it is worse than slavery. Slaves are fully aware that they are slaves, sevadars are not. Slaves...<p>Mike,<br />
O yes, it is worse than slavery. <br />
Slaves are fully aware that they are slaves, sevadars are not.<br />
Slaves get at least food and lodging from their exploiters, sevadars have to pay even the working equipment - the tools they need to carry out the work - out of their own pocket.</p>
<p>Even livestock gets a better treatment.</p>
<p>The scope – - the concept is dictatorial and fascistic and very convenient for the implementation in politics. Gurudom IS politics. And very very lucrative. <br />
The whole thing nicely disguised in a fairy tale.<br />
Potentates all around the world could learn much know-how by watching the Indian gurus!</p>
<p>iloveDrAnn,<br />
Yes, it’s all tactics.<br />
</p>iloveDrAnn commented on 'Early editions of Radha Soami Satsang Beas books wanted'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e201901d899f92970b2013-06-18T23:20:27Z2013-06-19T03:02:59ZiloveDrAnnBy the way, there are/were older editions of the RSSB books available for free in Petaluma (Spotted them at the...<p>By the way, there are/were older editions of the RSSB books available for free in Petaluma (Spotted them at the Satsang weekend in May). </p>
<p>The non-Indian sangat gets smaller and smaller and older and older. Pretty soon we will be totally phased out. All the pale-faced, white-haired, people were nodding off, even snoring. One dude kept adjusting his hearing aide........once a proud and glorious group of young hippies; oh the pity of it!</p>
<p>What is RSSB? An Asian religion. Sorry you old American farts, your run is done.</p>iloveDrAnn commented on 'Early editions of Radha Soami Satsang Beas books wanted'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e201901d896aad970b2013-06-18T22:47:15Z2013-06-19T03:02:59ZiloveDrAnnSandra - i picked up an application for "Seva in Petaluma for 2014". The introduction said, more or less, not...<p>Sandra - i picked up an application for "Seva in Petaluma for 2014". The introduction said, more or less, not to be too disappointed if one was not chosen to do seva because there were so many more people who wanted to do seva than there were seva opportunities. (Scratching head here.) Was a wee bit perplexed why they bothered pointing out applications were available if they already had too many volunteers. I put it back on the table. How funny!</p>Mike Williams commented on 'Early editions of Radha Soami Satsang Beas books wanted'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e20192ab4786e3970d2013-06-18T22:11:54Z2013-06-19T03:02:59ZMike WilliamsHi Sandra, It is not that you are right, that I write this post. But, I wonder if you really...<p>Hi Sandra,</p>
<p>It is not that you are right, that<br />
I write this post. But, I wonder<br />
if you really realize just how right you are ?</p>
<p>I wonder if you really realize the scope and<br />
magnitude of the scam they have pulled off.</p>Sandra commented on 'Early editions of Radha Soami Satsang Beas books wanted'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e20191037e23da970c2013-06-18T19:31:36Z2013-06-19T03:02:59ZSandraI am still getting newsletters from the SantMat-group I attended last year. Today I received a pdf called HR (human...<p>I am still getting newsletters from the SantMat-group I attended last year. Today I received a pdf called HR (human resources)-Vacancies</p>
<p>Here is the first page</p>
<p>quote<br />
SEVA<br />
Do you want to get more involved?</p>
<p>If you would like to have more information<br />
please contact the Human Resource Team at humanresources@holosophic.org.<br />
You can get the application form from<br />
your satsang caretaker or national representative(s).<br />
Join a growing team of volunteers serving around the world.<br />
There are many possibilities in which<br />
you can contribute your time and your talents.<br />
Unquote</p>
<p>They are searching for video- audio- lighting technicians, photographers and photo editors, graphic designers, writers, photo reviewers, translators and proof readers, and also long term volunteers</p>
<p>Please have a close look at the word “human resources”</p>
<p>Doesn’t it make you think of the world of business?<br />
You all know what seva means: working without payment. The reward is the hollow promise to get nearer to the master, to the guru, to “god”.<br />
Working for the so called “master” (seva) is the most important thing. That’s what they told me. You cannot advance in meditation if you don’t do any seva. The more seva you do for the master, the bigger the reward will be. <br />
It’s just unbelievable. It’s exploitation of human labour in the extreme. <br />
IMO that’s morally reprehensible.<br />
On the other hand, everybody should be responsible for his own life.<br />
How is it possible not to realize the big deception? <br />
</p>Mike Williams commented on 'Early editions of Radha Soami Satsang Beas books wanted'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e20191037c9685970c2013-06-18T15:51:36Z2013-06-18T17:25:52ZMike WilliamsHi 777, In Radhasoami Beas Secret History the original last words are quoted of Jaimal. This is a from a...<p>Hi 777,<br />
In Radhasoami Beas Secret History the original last words are quoted of Jaimal.<br />
This is a from a Beas book. I reference it twice in my book.</p>
<p>Jaimal says absolutely nothing about Sawan<br />
being his successor. Bibbi Rikko actuallly<br />
tried to keep Sawan out when he came. She<br />
was the lady that followed another Swami Ji<br />
Successor at first, then switched to Jaimal.<br />
She also is recorded by Beas as beating people over the head with a club as referenced in my book.</p>
<p>Sawan admitted he was powerless and inept,<br />
Beas quote, to Chachaji. Chachaji sent<br />
Sawan to be administrative head and gave<br />
him authority under the current then Sat Guru, Misra. Sawan initiated for Misra at first and was under the Council authority.</p>
<p>Chachaji was president of the Council.</p>
<p>The Council, under suggestions from Sudarshan and Chachaji, voted to begin excommunication proceedings against Jaimal<br />
for posing as a fake Guru.</p>
<p>How could Sawan be the successor to a fake<br />
Guru ?</p>
<p>Jaimal was initiating for the Council<br />
when he died. Misra was the Guru of the day.<br />
</p>777 commented on 'Early editions of Radha Soami Satsang Beas books wanted'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e201910374bb0d970c2013-06-17T19:59:26Z2013-06-17T21:42:29Z777Mr Williams and all First and I said it before A real Saint can give any word(s) Pepsi Cola would...<p>Mr Williams and all</p>
<p>First and I said it before<br />
A real Saint can give any word(s)<br />
Pepsi Cola would work fine</p>
<p>This is as with any benediction<br />
It contains the power of the Giver</p>
<p>But the words give hommage to those ancient Saints like Melchisadek and even go back to the Silver Yuga<br />
However, there is nothing of Kal (devil) in these words and their associated vibrations of given by a SatGuru or on His Command<br />
-<br />
Kal is authorised (for a time being)<br />
to transform the downstream sound<br />
for his works which are our works</p>
<p>The Holy words are of the same essence ( one could say waves or frequencies )<br />
but they ASCEND<br />
Kal is not aware of all this - he could of course with all that power if he would but<br />
like a longtime king or president,<br />
it's beyond his imagination<br />
that jeevas would cheet on him and </p>
<p>bypass him</p>
<p>This is the case with Brahma as well<br />
and higher up : ParBrahm</p>
<p>It's true that in this time of poor advancements you cannot go higher than your Master<br />
But with what Charan has brought me<br />
in this life, I wouldn't go higher at all</p>
<p>It take two to dance the Tango and it is terrific, and mega cool with Him</p>
<p>It's not very difficult to hear the tiny sweet sound at the right I would say<br />
and the pulsing and swelling comes with the love for the giver<br />
and by His Simran which is that sound - in a kind of hidden form - </p>
<p><br />
Nothing will work for the proud ones<br />
under us and the non-compassionates,<br />
they will follow Aleister and be the next<br />
bricks of creation</p>
<p>It's great this Path<br />
and now I understand why I appreciated Sri Yuktéswar so much<br />
You said they come also from Tulsi</p>
<p>Cheers<br />
</p>777 commented on 'Early editions of Radha Soami Satsang Beas books wanted'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e201901d7c01cb970b2013-06-17T13:07:36Z2013-06-17T21:42:29Z777Last Words ( Bachans ) of Baba Jaimal Singh Ji Maharaji (as recorded by Bhai Jawala Singh - Originals to...<p>Last Words ( Bachans ) of Baba Jaimal Singh Ji Maharaji</p>
<p>(as recorded by Bhai Jawala Singh - Originals to be found among the old records of Huzur Maharaji Baba Sawan Sing Ji )</p>
<p>Spiritual Letters First Edition , page 131 ))</p>
<p>Bachan N° 4</p>
<p>( I will reproduce the third paragraph :</p>
<p>Following This Baba Ji said, "All Satsangis should now listen attentively.<br />
It is the Hukm ( Order) of Swami Ji Maharaji that every Satsangi must remember the secrets of the regions up to Alakh, Agam and Anami --Radha Swami Desh--as initiated by me."</p>
<p>All Satsangis then asked Baba Ji, who would be<br />
the Successor in His Place, to hold Satsang, to give Nam and to guide them in their Parmarth as well as Bhajan and Simran.<br />
Baba Ji replied, "Baba Sawan Singh will do all this"</p>
<p>The Satsangis thereupon said<br />
that Babu Sawan Singh was still in service and that they would naturally be restless without His guidance<br />
and Satsang from day to day.<br />
Baba Ji said that BhaiJowala Singh would deliver Satsang (discourses) in the<br />
absence of Babu Sawan Singh</p>
<p>on Page 133 he repeats this</p>
<p>in chapter n°6 and N°7</p>
<p><br />
and</p>
<p>EXTRACTS FROM LETTERS FROM BIBI RUKKO<br />
On her question :<br />
"Whose Darshan shall we have now ?"</p>
<p>To which Baba Ji replied :<br />
"Babu Sawan Singh will work in my place"</p>
<p><br />
He also said if there is anything to be asked or explained, then ChachaJi ( Seth Partap Singh ), who is no in the place of Swami Jishould be resorted to.</p>
<p>ok======<br />
and next is nice :<br />
Person going in his room for Darshan had to be carried out from Baba Ji's room<br />
by two men </p>
<p>Wauuuw - Cool is that</p>777 commented on 'Early editions of Radha Soami Satsang Beas books wanted'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e2019103719478970c2013-06-17T12:09:35Z2013-06-17T21:42:29Z777""" The early history of RSSB is something RSSB has suppressed for a long time and a well documented source...<p>""" The early history of RSSB is something RSSB has suppressed for a long time and a well documented source would be a great addition to scholarship on this topic """</p>
<p>One of the collateral stuff of succeeded meditation, -even 1% succeeded<br />
is HISTORY</p>
<p>F I<br />
In my case I got the knowledge of 3 former lives<br />
and how I was initiated the first time<br />
by Seth Shiv Dayal</p>
<p>and ever since my Dhyan is not only from my own Master (together wit Gurinder Yes, recently that is . . )<br />
but also from His Master (through Charan's Eyes)<br />
and 'then'<br />
Jagat, Sawan, Swami Ji Maharaji, and Tusi<br />
and others I cannot place</p>
<p>This goes back to the earliest phenomenon of Light<br />
( expression through light )</p>
<p>but really the Sound is a whole knew ballgame</p>
<p>Although our way, the stream of Sound is always present<br />
and our way to pierce through the great vaccuum Sunna they say, ( in His Pocket - as it was - glued by Love, )</p>
<p>This Path is a terrific majestatic path</p>
<p>and I guess to have explained now to Tara<br />
That death really does not exist<br />
for the beloved of the SatGurus</p>777 commented on 'Early editions of Radha Soami Satsang Beas books wanted'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e20192ab399777970d2013-06-17T11:21:34Z2013-06-17T21:42:29Z777Some major obsession here about the regions which are all subjective Concerning the books I can imagining these book-collectors and...<p>Some major obsession here about the regions<br />
which are all subjective</p>
<p>Concerning the books<br />
I can imagining these book-collectors<br />
and your Indian Lady included Brian</p>
<p>Imaging you have the original Saint John Gospel in Aramese from before the destruction of the temple :) <br />
That would represent a billion dollars <br />
because of the 'region' -explainers <br />
Wow & Cheers</p>
<p><br />
</p>bayarearetrofit@aol.com commented on 'Early editions of Radha Soami Satsang Beas books wanted'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e201901c59a355970b2013-05-19T16:17:04Z2013-05-19T17:38:05Zbayarearetrofit@aol.comMike, getting old copies of the Harvey Meyers newsletters is going to be tough. I know one possible source. This...<p>Mike, getting old copies of the Harvey Meyers newsletters is going to be tough. I know one possible source. This guy was initiated right after Jagat Singh died. He had the old newsletters, and his daughter has them now, I just don't know how far back they go. I will see if I can get copies, or at least find out how far back they go. Email me at bayarearetrofit@aol.com so I have your direct email and I will see what I can do. </p>
<p>I don't think Beas will ever give them up, though you might inform the library you are doing a research project and would like to see them. </p>
<p>Another thing I remember from these newsletters is that they were combating a letter written to the overseas satsangis by Kirpal Singh telling them he was in fact the real successor. Every once in awhile you hear about an old American kirpal Singh disciple from that time. This wrangling over disciples always seemed very strange to me. There is even a letter somewhere in which Kirpal Singh apologizes to Charan Singh for slander in order to stop legal action from being taken by RSSB against him. I heard about this letter for many years from both RSSB and Kirpal Singh satsagnis. </p>
<p><br />
I think we tend to forget RSSB is a power structure as well as a religious institution and acts like a power structures do. </p>
<p>I think at issue here is the lack of transparency, not just from RSSB, but all religious power and financial power structure do this. The legal council for RSSB told my friend that RSSB owns more land in India than any group outside the government. That is a lot of money, and in turn a lot of power. </p>
<p>Propaganda can only be effective through the suppression of controversy, such as by removing the Harvey Myers, or copies of these newsletters from circulation. In "Heaven on Earth" you don't read about Jagat Singh's son committing suicide, though you would think that an institution that claims to encourage inquiry would not have suppressed this fact. The most important thing Beas never mentions is its own controversial early history. Again, that is because it is controversial, does not always shed the best light on RSSB, and does not fit into their propaganda model. </p>
<p>Mike, I have always read The Secret History with interest but found it lacked credibility because it did not cite any sources. This piece would have much more impact if you cited sources. The early history of RSSB is something RSSB has suppressed for a long time and a well documented source would be a great addition to scholarship on this topic. In fact, I can't think of anything more important and RSSB certainly isn't going to publish anything. </p>Mike Williams commented on 'Early editions of Radha Soami Satsang Beas books wanted'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e2017eeb2ab4c4970d2013-05-14T21:21:30Z2013-05-14T21:21:30ZMike WilliamsCan anyone here such as Brian, confirm what Howie has just said ? I would like to add this to...<p>Can anyone here such as Brian, confirm<br />
what Howie has just said ? I would like to add this to Radhasoami Beas <br />
Secret History if it can be <br />
confirmed. I have heard this myself, but would like confirmation.</p>
<p>"When I was at Dera last I noticed the old newsletters from the Harvey Myers days were no longer available. At that time Maharaj Ji sent out numerous newsletters that said "If someone tells you I am a master, It's a lie and leave me alone."</p>Mike Williams commented on 'Early editions of Radha Soami Satsang Beas books wanted'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e2017eeb2aa945970d2013-05-14T21:13:37Z2013-05-14T21:13:37ZMike WilliamsHi Howie, The biggest tricks the old book did compared to the new was this; Old books, Jaimal is dying...<p>Hi Howie, The biggest tricks the old book<br />
did compared to the new was this;</p>
<p>Old books, Jaimal is dying and tells<br />
everyone to go to Chachaji (Swami Ji's<br />
brother) for the secrets of the sound currents.</p>
<p>He does not appoint Sawan successor.<br />
But, Sawan does go to Chachaji and tells<br />
him he is powerless and inept.</p>
<p>Chachaji forces Sawan to go to Beas<br />
as group leader.</p>Howie Zowie commented on 'Early editions of Radha Soami Satsang Beas books wanted'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e2017eeb2a413c970d2013-05-14T20:11:12Z2013-05-14T20:11:12ZHowie ZowieThe reason RSSB wants the old books back is because the Minister of Propaganda edited out controversial material in the...<p>The reason RSSB wants the old books back is because the Minister of Propaganda edited out controversial material in the new Baba Ji editions. Just take a older edition and compare it to a new edition and you will see what I mean. They want their propaganda to be consistent so need to get the old material out of circulation. Very understandable. All power structures act this way. When I was at Dera last I noticed the old newsletters from the Harvey Myers days were no longer available. At that time Maharaj Ji sent out numerous newsletters that said "If someone tells you I am a master, It's a lie and leave me alone". That does quite fit into the propaganda machine. Initiates used to call this the master's humility, but there is always a danger someone might think he was telling the truth. Frankly, I have no idea which is true. </p>nietzsche commented on 'Early editions of Radha Soami Satsang Beas books wanted'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e2017eeb0c4a29970d2013-05-11T12:51:52Z2013-05-11T17:09:06ZnietzscheWhen reading parts of the old books by Sawan again I remember what attracted me to RS in the first...<p>When reading parts of the old books by Sawan again I remember what attracted me to RS in the first place. It feels like Sawan knew something or had hearth from first source. It also feels like something of this higher being is still there in RS but when I feel the books now they feel much less energized. Perhaps it was a scam all the time or it simple has become one? I don't know. It does not appeal much to me anymore, a little fascination stays though. Guess thats inevitable when you where involved once. </p>Mike Williams commented on 'Early editions of Radha Soami Satsang Beas books wanted'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e2019101f6ed6d970c2013-05-09T21:24:46Z2013-05-10T00:14:13ZMike WilliamsFree Radhasoami Beas Initiation Today Presiding dieties, chakras, sounds of the Kirpal groups and Radhasoami Beas initiation. You don't need...<p>Free Radhasoami Beas Initiation Today</p>
<p>Presiding dieties, chakras,<br />
sounds of the Kirpal groups<br />
and Radhasoami Beas initiation.<br />
You don't need a guru, here is the<br />
initiation mantra. Stick your thumbs<br />
in your ears, with fingers over eyes.</p>
<p>Listen to sound.</p>
<p>Jot Naranjan<br />
Om Kar<br />
Ranrankar<br />
Sohang<br />
Sat nam</p>
<p><br />
1.Sahas Dal Kanwel Jot Naranjan<br />
Flame of candle, bell, conch shell, 3/4 inches<br />
behind Tirsa Til</p>
<p>2. Trikuti Om Kar, Rising sun,, Thunder,<br />
drum, between two eyebrows.</p>
<p>3.Sunn (Dswan Dar) Ranrankar, full moon,<br />
fiddle, center of forehead.</p>
<p>Maha Sunn vast region</p>
<p>4. Bhawar Gupta Sohang Ji, mid day sun,<br />
flute,</p>
<p>5. Sat Lok Sat Nam, where hair<br />
starts on forehead,, harp, bin,<br />
100 million suns</p>
<p>6. Alakh Lok Alakh Parush,<br />
2 fingers after hair starts, undescribable</p>
<p>7. Agam Lok Agam arush,<br />
2 fingers after Alakh line, undescribable</p>
<p>8. Radhasoami D, top of head,undescribable<br />
</p>Slayd commented on 'Early editions of Radha Soami Satsang Beas books wanted'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e2019101ec61c5970c2013-05-09T04:52:46Z2013-05-10T00:14:13ZSlaydOne talks what he lives and you sure know alot about satan and demons Mike and this your online frustration...<p>One talks what he lives and you sure know alot about satan and demons Mike and this your online frustration and personal strugle of wanting so much attention tells much about you and you are just not aware of that yet.</p>Mike Williams commented on 'Early editions of Radha Soami Satsang Beas books wanted'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e2019101e8717e970c2013-05-08T22:25:45Z2013-05-10T00:14:13ZMike WilliamsHi nietzsche, Sat Nam is the ruler of the 5 regions. Onkar is Satan, ruler of the 3 lower regions....<p>Hi nietzsche,<br />
Sat Nam is the ruler of the 5 regions.</p>
<p>Onkar is Satan, ruler of the 3 lower regions. <br />
That's why it is the second and<br />
third words of the initiation mantra.</p>
<p>Eck Onkar is Sikh for Satan. Sat Nam is also<br />
the Sikh highest God of the 5th plane.</p>
<p>Onkar is pronounced Ankar by Satanists<br />
such as Aleister Crowley and Anton Levay.</p>Anant commented on 'Early editions of Radha Soami Satsang Beas books wanted'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e2019101e23bfe970c2013-05-08T05:27:48Z2013-05-08T05:28:56ZAnantThe objective of this blog and you guys are just to spread the rumor and talk nonsense all the time.<p>The objective of this blog and you guys are just to spread the rumor and talk nonsense all the time.</p>nietzsche commented on 'Early editions of Radha Soami Satsang Beas books wanted'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e201901be83207970b2013-05-07T16:25:19Z2013-05-07T19:05:11ZnietzscheOk I have Philosophy of the masters iv page 31 4th edition. Enkankar is different from the Onkar of the...<p>Ok I have Philosophy of the masters iv page 31 4th edition.</p>
<p>Enkankar is different from the Onkar of the Vedas. ...He is beyond Kal, the negative power. Ekankar is the ruler of all the five regions.</p>
<p>But the notion that it could be Satan is interesting. But how does this relate to the dark forces? The book says Enkankar give nectar to everyone and created everything. Seems to me above Satan indeed. </p>
<p>Confusing stuff.</p>Mike Williams commented on 'Early editions of Radha Soami Satsang Beas books wanted'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e2019101d811fd970c2013-05-06T21:18:27Z2013-05-07T04:52:57ZMike WilliamsEck Onkar is a term that comes from the Sikhs and means Satan (kal). I posted reference few days ago...<p>Eck Onkar is a term that comes<br />
from the Sikhs and means Satan (kal).<br />
I posted reference few days ago here.</p>
<p>On Kar is also the second name of the<br />
five names of the initiation and the<br />
third, Rah Ran Kar.</p>
<p>Ankar was also used by satanists such as<br />
Aleister Crowley and Anton Levay to denote<br />
their God satan.</p>
<p>The On in On Kar is related to Aum.</p>
<p>The Rah is from the Egyptian God Oman Rah.</p>
<p>And the Radh in Radhasoami is also Rah.</p>
<p>These are extremely ancient words.</p>
<p>I know what the Radhasoami's say, but<br />
they are not the original intents of the words. Such as Lord over the Soul, etc., we all know here. Swami is God.</p>
<p>The Mi in Radhasoami is also an Egyptian god. The Soami is also Aum Mi.</p>
<p>These ancient words were sounded out loud<br />
to envoke demons.</p>
<p>Satan rules the first three worlds, so<br />
he is envoked in the 5 names first.</p>
<p>These ancient words track back to Mesopotamia and Bablyon, then to<br />
Eqypt. Alexander the Great spread<br />
these mystery schools even up ito India<br />
and across Egypt. His teacher studied at the<br />
Great Library in Alexandria, which burned down later on.</p>nietzsche commented on 'Early editions of Radha Soami Satsang Beas books wanted'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e2017eeaded980970d2013-05-06T19:07:19Z2013-05-07T04:52:57ZnietzscheI found only 4th editions but it was interesting to read that Sawan spoke of a tunnel that the satsangi...<p>I found only 4th editions but it was interesting to read that Sawan spoke of a tunnel that the satsangi would go through and that the sound was in the middle of the head and that Enkankar was a God spirit dwelling among other spirit's in some plane. That was not methafysical or a state of consciousness. That was literal.</p>Mike Williams commented on 'Early editions of Radha Soami Satsang Beas books wanted'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e201901bdadc34970b2013-05-05T20:05:47Z2013-05-06T05:46:58ZMike WilliamsIn the old RS Beas books they have Jaimal dying and telling everyone that they should go to Chachaji for...<p>In the old RS Beas books they have Jaimal<br />
dying and telling everyone that they<br />
should go to Chachaji for the secrets<br />
of the sound currents. Sawan did exactly this by Beas own admission.</p>
<p>But, now days Beas misleads people into thinking Jaimal left Sawan as chosen successor.</p>
<p>Never happenned. Chachaji forced Sawan to take <br />
charge of the administration at Beas<br />
against his will. Sawan objected saying he was inept and <br />
powerless. (Beas words in their books)</p>
<p>No one authorised either Jaimal, or Sawan<br />
to be Gurus.</p>
<p>No one.</p>Skeptic commented on 'Early editions of Radha Soami Satsang Beas books wanted'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e2019101cfdcc0970c2013-05-05T15:56:17Z2013-05-06T05:46:58ZSkepticOops, forgot to include the link! !http://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/1d2v7i/parents_of_reddit_what_is_the_creepiest_thing/<p>Oops, forgot to include the link! !<a href="http://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/1d2v7i/parents_of_reddit_what_is_the_creepiest_thing/" rel="nofollow">http://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/1d2v7i/parents_of_reddit_what_is_the_creepiest_thing/</a></p>