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July 12, 2012

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This post is a perfect example of what i tried asking you in most of the other posts i have ever made on your blog.

You say you had some experiences in meditation but when we get specific about it you claim you didn't really have any experiences.

Make up your mind.

David R, there's no contradiction at all. I've had lots of interesting and valuable experiences while meditating. I just haven't had the sorts of soul-travel experiences RSSB/Sant Mat say are not only possible, but guaranteed within a mere four lifetimes of meditating.

I have to be candid, I've been quite bitter. It is getting better with time. I think I was upset with my conditioning more than anything else. It is not healthy to fear hidden-eggs in cakes and rationalize the karma at the age of 10 !

I'm sorry, but analyzing your posts, your not a critic of the RS path, your a hater. There is a big difference between a critic and a hater.
Going back to the computer example you used, if the computer didn't work, any person would take the computer back to the manufacturer and ask them why its not working. The same with Simran, ask Baba Ji why it's not working. You didn't do that, instead you smashed the computer up with a hammer.
But also you have to consider the way you use the computer, if you do stuff that will damage the computer, it's not going to work.
I.e. if you have a great amount of ego, how do you expect simran to work. Sure, no one will be able to do simran ego free at the start, but you need to try and be humble and try to surrender yourself.

I know an elderly genetleman, he had a large ego, he passed away in 2008, but in his last 6-7 years he got more humble which ultimately helped him progress. So everyday you have to try hard and keep on going.
Ego is the wall between one and God.

If you were disappointed with RSSB, then your posts would be of different tone/content. It doesn't take Einstein to figure that out.

Here is an example of what a 'disappointment post would look like'

Disappointment= RSSB didn't work etc, although it teaches one to be a better human, I'm disappointed I didn't get the experiences. Maybe I should analyze what i was doing wrong. Was I being inconsistent? Maybe I should write a letter or talk to Gurinder. Maybe I feel that RSSB isn't the right path and should experiment with something else.

Bitterness- Insulting/mocking the teachings, fault finding just to make yourself feel better.
Although you mention that you were critical of the teachings whilst doing Satsangs, like I heard from someone else you were mildly critical before the sacking. But after the sacking you became very critical of Baba Ji and the path. So looking at it, the sacking got you off the path not disappointment.
Your posts evolved from mildly critical to severely critical after the sacking and then hatred.

I'm not sure if RS is the right path, I'm looking for someone who is critical, I believe critics are there for a reason. I want to know RSSB inside out before I commit to it.
It's just like when you buy a computer from the internet, you look at all the reviews and try to find negatives and positives before buying the computer.

Also you say 'and in my three decades-plus of communicating with many, many other RSSB devotees, before I started this blog and afterward, I've never come across anyone else who had the sort of transcendent, mystical, ultimate-reality knowing, astral traveling, soul-body separating experience the RSSB literature promises.'

Do you really think anyone that has had the ultimate experience of going within is going to tell the whole world. There has been many stories of seekers that have gone within, as soon as they start telling everyone, their spiritual progress stops.
If a man has a billion pounds in the bank, if the man is wise he doesn't tell everybody.
Also, this might sound contradictory, but I know someone who knew Gurinder was going to be the Guru. He said 'the next Guru will be a guy called Gurinder'. He made this prediction in 1986 He made lots of predictions and they were all right. But he eventually stopped.
Another experience is a lady who died recently. Four days before her death she asked for a photo to be taken. Her family were surprised as she was camera shy and never asked for a photo of herself to be taken. And seconds before her death, she had a smile on her face and put two hands together and said Radha Soami.
I heard this story from her family NOT from a satsang or a book.
There's so many stories I have heard direct from families which to me, enhance the credibility of the path, but there are still some teachings which I question.

"But just as I look back with irritation on cars and computers I've bought which didn't perform as advertised, so do I view religions which make false claims."


...and this is why religion is the best business to be in. Your product/service is no more than an idea, an identity, an attitude, a belief, that credulous people buy and continue to support and endorse for as long as you keep promoting it, or until they catch on...which they rarely do.

It's basic economics. You're just serving the huge demand for comforting, empowering, inspiring bullshit, and if you can supply that kind of crap, who's to say you're not entitled to the wealth it brings you?

I can understand where your coming from Tara, I have had to avoid egg/meat products since I was 5. I'm getting better, however it does get frustrating every time you read ingredients of some bakery product and they contain eggs or animal deratives.
The worst was when I was in Year 5 at school, it was pancake day, I helped the teachers make the pancakes, they used lots of eggs. When the pancakes were made, I told the teacher I can't eat the pancakes because they have eggs in them. I saw the other kids indulge in the pancakes whilst I was sat on the sidelines.

Also Brian, you resided in the UK before making the transition to the US right? You have a familiar looking face, you have mentioned previously that you used to do satsangs at regional centres. Did you ever do satsangs in Coventry/Leamington? I swear I have seen you before.

"I saw the other kids indulge in the pancakes whilst I was sat on the sidelines."


Reject the pancakes, the pancake-eaters reject you.

CJ, no, I've always lived in the United States. I have a generic "old guy with long gray hair/beard" look. Here in Oregon I often am told, "Aren't you [such and such]?"

I say, "No, I just look like so many other guys my age." We're all unique in many ways, but not in others.

I was upset with my conditioning more than anything else....thats what it boils down to Tara.

Gaz ... I see no point in restricting kids from chocolate croissants ! The RS ingredient restrictions are obsessive and absurd. How does refraining from patisserie delights ( for even a lifetime ! ) make you a better person ?

dogribb ... I for one, never had the chance to be a skeptic. It was like an RS blueprint and had it not been for my old-school idealistic RS leanings, I would have found comfort in the new Sant Mat that seekers gush about these days ! Until a couple of years, we still had Sawan Singh's initiates within the family, so my understanding of the Radha Soami ( Sant ) Mat of the time is many shades more in-depth than the people who haven't had even first-hand exposure to Charan's teachings. Had I been even a bit more accepting of Gurinder's new updates, I'd still be skeptical of the response " yes missy, this IS eggless " ... :)

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