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April 27, 2012

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I love how so many satsangis are just not able to grasp the irony of Babaji raking in millions of dollars and turning his sons into billionaires. Yes, as a general concept, money is not bad, and any human or superhuman should be deserving of it. BUT, not if you are owner and head of a spiritual path that claims its base in the fact that money is material and the more aware you are of shabad, the need of money becomes almost nonexistent because your body,mind and desires are completely taken care of by shabad. I thought that's the whole reason satsangis are even motivated to meditate. To become ONE with the Shabad and transcend this bad material place called Earth?
I've heard so many satsangis justify this as these millions just being family money transferred over to it current owners, and that it's not Babaji's fault that his business is doing well.

Hi I've followed this blog with interest for a while but haven't seen a discussion about Gurinder Singh's background in terms of personal belief (rather than what he preaches). There is very little information available about his personal life, apart from his wealth, which has been the subject of some scrutiny. I understand that he was brought up a Sikh, does anyone know whether he took amrit? Before it was clear to him that the family business (rssb) would be passed on to him, did he frequent a gurdwara? Does he personally believe in sikh theology? When was he initiated into rssb by Charan Singh? Does he actually believe in what he says himself and does he consider himself as his own master or 'God' (I don't mean what's expected of him or what he wants others to believe, but rather what he actually thinks of himself). What religious study did he undertake; has he read the world's prominent scriptures including bah'ai? Did he undertake any yogic tutelage apart from shabd yoga? How many languages does he speak?

It matters to understand the spiritual and religious background of a person who has so much influence over people and its not right to live in secrecy and denial- we're no longer in the middle ages where questioning is a heretic act. I would appreciate if a learned individual could shed some light on this.

Mirabai was a follower of Ravidas and left him a diamond. Ravidas did not even take a look at it. When Mira came back and asked why the guru was still living in poverty
Ravidas said he had the wealth of naam and did not need her diamond.

This story is taken from 'tales of the mystic east'. Have things changed now?
Even Charan singh did not buy property abroad. Gurinder singh has not only
made RSSB into a religion with all the trappings including property and worldwide centres, but his personal focus in life is wealth and business.

He has expensive tastes. He lives richly and associates with wealthy disciples. He has made his own sons into billionaires. When exactly does or did he spend years in intense meditation?

Swami Ji apparently spent 17 years, jaimal 13 yrs, sawan 9 years. Gurinder must have inherited all that meditation because he doesn't need to do any.

Gurinder is a business man not a spiritual leader. He needs to leave that job to someone who is not so attached to power and wealth. Then he can spend his own life pursuing his business interests. However he will not do that because RSSB gives him power, which he loves.

ScepticSam, very well said. They should really stop printing these books now. Those that buy and buy into the RS literature are way too foolish ...

Gurinder singh ji have no need to prove himself.. I think some don't want to know the reality that he is form of God who gives to others...only.
Radha soami ji.

A few years ago, it suddenly came clear to me (I'm a slow thinker.) that Jesus was a nobody who accomplished nothing and lived in a nowhere place. He did not die gloriously (even though it looks cool in the movies) but was crucified as were many criminals in his time. In fact, he was crucified between two thieves to remind us of that fact. He didn't leave behind any books (as Plato did) nor did he establish any great schools (as the buddha did) nor did he have profound effect on the government (as did Confucius) nor did he conquer any lands (as did Mohammed). In fact, the list of what he didn't do goes on a very long time, compared to what great men of history have really done. Yet, 2000 years later, we're still talking about him. What's up with that?

By the way, I just stumbled onto your post today because it's the first day I ever heard the term RSSB. An Indian devotee told me about it and Google led the way right to your web-site. The Internet Google works in mysterious ways. I applaud your tenacity in keeping up with this blog. I've just started writing my blog hap-hazardly...the second attempt. I have very few followers, so I don't have much impetus to keep it up as you have. Good job! And I applaud your spiritual journey despite a lot of bumps and discouragements along the way.

Spockolator, good insights about Jesus. We really know nothing about what he taught. All we have are rumors based on hearsay, composed many years after Jesus died, which have been edited, fudged, translated, and retranslated over many centuries.

Best wishes for the success of your own blog writing. Don't worry about how many people read your stuff. The number will grow if you stick with it. I've been blogging for almost ten years, nearly every day. The Great God Google rewards consistency. You shall receive the search hits that you deserve.

In my experience, writing is its own reward. That's the only way I can keep writing (of course, I've enjoyed writing for most of my life; started as soon as I could write). I feel better after I say something as honestly and openly as I can. Maybe I don't change many minds of other people, but every day I change my own. That's what counts the most for me.

every guru had his own earnings...so whats the problem.....plz donot make such comments

rohin, Gurinder Singh isn't living off of his "earnings." He's making hundreds of millions of dollars from stock given to him at an extremely low cost by relatives who happen to also be his initiates.

This is unheard of, so far as I know, in the history of gurudom. It's not as if Gurinder Singh was working for his money. Now, sure, there's nothing inherently wrong with being rich and using your connections to make money.

But when the connections are related to being a guru who is considered to be God in human form by both your relatives and non-relatives -- that strikes many people as being unseemly.

Brian, lets put our differences aside, you're a human, i'm a human, what do you think of Jesus and the 10 Sikh Guru's? I'd love to hear your insight on this. I've never heard you talk about the 10 Sikh Guru's or Mohammed Sahib.

Thanks

Gaz, I've read some of the Bible. I've read all of the Adi Granth Sahib (in translation, naturally).

I resonate with some of what Jesus and the Sikh gurus say. But now I lean much more toward Buddhism and Taoism, especially Taoism.

Kabir appeals to me also. He's part of the Sikh tradition, right? Quoted quite a bit in the Adi Granth, if I recall correctly. I wrote about the wilder side of Kabir here:
http://hinessight.blogs.com/church_of_the_churchless/2008/12/kabir-was-too-w.html

I believe in mystery. I believe that we humans don't know what the cosmos really is all about. Maybe it isn't possible to know. For most of my life I've had a strong desire to know the truth about ultimate reality.

I still do. I've just come to accept that probably I never will. Because, in my opinion, nobody ever has. Of course, some would say (Buddhists and Taoists, especially) that ultimate reality is right here, right now.

Appealing though. I'm going to go on a bike ride now and experience ultimate reality,

Ulitimate reality via shabd on bass, that i dig,
jah ratafari

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6jr3x4oJrDs

I too have always wanted to know the truth about ultimate reality, I don't agree with Sikhism today. I'm sure you've heard of this argument before about how a book can't be the Guru, it's just not right.
I personally think the answer lies after Guru Gobind Singh (the last Sikh Guru), most believe he initiated a book as his successor and most believe he initiated Ratnager Rao and then he initiated Tulsi Sahib. It never become clear on who Tulsi Sahib initiated as his successor, that's where the investigation needs to take place.
I am a believer in God, I don't totally believe in RS yet. But I firmly believe if one has a sincere desire to meet God, not for the satisfaction of worldly desires but for spiritual reasons then I think it's possible.
But as this world has evolved and got older, it's become harder to meet God and find out what the truth is. Also I believe if the world evolves then the 'Guru' will evolve. A lot of us use previous saints as an example and are stuck in old times as regards to what a perfect Guru should be.
There are so many so paths which claim to be the right path. I do credit Gurinder, because he has said many times, 'no one can say that this path is right unless they've reached the ultimate goal within'.
Other paths like Sant Rajinders and Ching Hai don't say anything like that.

But I treat this life as a train ride, I take this quote from Maharaji Charan Singh, this life is a train ride. Enjoy the train ride but be prepared to leave the train when the times comes.

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