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July 29, 2010

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is it a correct news because none has responded from dera beas...so lets not spread the rumors

That's horrible, I'm glad the guru ok regardless of what i might think of his beliefs. I'm also glad you are ok, given you "could have" been there in the past.

I want to add more, but am exhausted so hope you'll take my good wishes in the spirit they were intended, Brian.

How can people be so cruel ? Babaji is not a common man, he knows where what is going on. They are fools who even think of harming him.

These stupid people got no moral in life, dats why they thought they can harm THE MASTER.BABA JI wants to go every where freely where his followers are.they dont need any security or any protection.
vishal.

unbelievable ,he is a great guru .he gives way to live life .how can people may think of doing so.

I was shocked to hear the news about Gurinder. I am glad he is alright ofcourse. No matter what we may think of him he has the right to life like everyone else...

As with any religion you are bound to get extremists. On the whole, Sikhs per se are fine, tolerant, and open-minded people with high principles.

Extremists only make a near non-existent portion of the the Sikh Community itself. Yet, they have been now, and again a problem with the Radhasoami Faith in the past.

Such extremists tend to regard gurus in general as being fakes, or crooks who are just living off the money of others. But how much do we REALLY know about the 10 Sikh gurus of the past? After all they were a line of HUMAN gurus??

Moreover, it is ofcourse absurd beyond belief that a book (ie. the so-called Guru Granth!!) should be treated as a Living Master...but it was a clever ploy of Gobind Singh (the last Sikh human guru) to ensure the "purity" of the Sikh Teachings..

When I go to Satsang irrespective of whether the present Master is perfect, or otherwise there is a overwhelming sea of higher conciousness of love, and power. You do NOT get this is in "dead" churches, "dead" mosques, or indeed, "dead" gurdwaras...!

There are a few hundred " deras " in Punjab and there are underlying tensions between them. RSSB has always considered itself to be on a kind of " neutral ground " so this is surprising. To my knowledge, this news has not been published or aired in the mainstream Indian media.

Thanks for sharing Brian.

its actually very bad . they should be ashamed

Baba ji is not a simple man baba ji is God so they know everything so those person who are envolved in this rubbish work are totally mad. No one can fight with God. And this is a warning for those pers who has planned this be careful in future, they cant do anything to our God-Vicky

LIVE AND LET LIVE

Its so sad to know this-but the persons trying this didnt know what they are upto-trying what against whom! Extremists are always against Saints-its so shameful and sad@

i am surprised,how mortal can kill or murder immortal.

such a shameful and unhuman and foolish act they didnt even know what were they upto and to whom they were thinking of harming,he is the master knows everything

with the exception of Brian, all of the commenters above are obviously crazy cult lunatics.

and a cult leader like GS who goes parading around as if he were some kind of holy gihf guru-king... well he has made himself a target, so i have no sympathy for him whatsoever.

a rich man who flaunts himself by riding around like a king (or guru) in a gilded carriage amongst the common people, invites thieves and robbers... or extremists who hate him and want to kill him.

a wise man, on the other hand, remains humble and ordinary and goes on his way quietly.

it is just a matter of a short time before the certain downfall of a man like that. the now impending apocalypse will not spare those of his ilk. he alone has brought it all upon himself.


I don't think this is anything new. There were threats against Charan Singh (RSSB guru before gurinder) at the time of my second visit to the dera in 1984. Armed guards were on duty at strategic points in the compound. This seemed weird to me at the time. Why does GIHF need armed guards? Why doesn't he just adjust the karmic situation from his vantage point in the astral or causal? The guns were pretty funky. Looked like relics from WW I. I saw no modern semi-auto assault rifles. I bet they have them now.

tAo, do you have any links or info on the impending apocolypse you mention? You can send to my email. Thanks.

If you buy into the GHIF storyline, why do believers think that GS would necessarily protect himself ? Take the Christ fable as precedent.

These stupid people got no moral in life, dats why they thought they can harm THE MASTER.BABA JI wants to go every where freely where his followers are.they dont need any security or any protection.
vishal.

unbelievable ,he is a great guru .he gives way to live life .how can people may think of doing so.

I was shocked to hear the news about Gurinder. I am glad he is alright ofcourse. No matter what we may think of him he has the right to life like everyone else... As with any religion you are bound to get extremists. On the whole, Sikhs per se are fine, tolerant, and open-minded people with high principles.

Extremists only make a near non-existent portion of the the Sikh Community itself. Yet, they have been now, and again a problem with the Radhasoami Faith in the past. Such extremists tend to regard gurus in general as being fakes, or crooks who are just living off the money of others. But how much do we REALLY know about the 10 Sikh gurus of the past? After all they were a line of HUMAN gurus??

Moreover, it is ofcourse absurd beyond belief that a book (ie. the so-called Guru Granth!!) should be treated as a Living Master...but it was a clever ploy of Gobind Singh (the last Sikh human guru) to ensure the "purity" of the Sikh Teachings.. When I go to Satsang irrespective of whether the present Master is perfect, or otherwise there is a overwhelming sea of higher conciousness of love, and power. You do NOT get this is in "dead" churches, "dead" mosques, or indeed, "dead" gurdwaras...!

I am a Sat Sangi. Notice, Guru Babaji was not harmed. The rest of us are now on notice, and should be mindful and vigilant when we attend any sat sang where Babaji will be present. Every follower should become a personal body guard and close in around Him, protect Him. Perhaps this is a head's up for us. Yes, Jesus the Christ, allowed Himself to be crucified. Is this what we, His followers want for our Master? Or is it Divine providence?

Mr. TAO this for you not Upinder sorry Upinder ..GOD just forgive you(tao) what u said..dear u even dont know the power and love the MATER GS..so u said soo..u commented like a child who just do whatever he likes but not try to understand the other.. so dear GD is the master with grace, simple, silent, full of love that is the lamp of life..and u people thought otherway.. actually the fact is the MASTeR is out of u people mind and thoughts..u can never understand his kindness.. because for that u have to be kind and full love.

Well, I think Beas has taken the usual ' we don't know for certain ' diplomatic route and has managed to keep the media at bay. The next thing you will hear ( and I assume ) is that Gurinder has ' forgiven ' the suspects which will then be followed by stories of how the four men got initiated !

Pema Sonam says " Every follower should become a personal body guard and close in around Him, protect Him... "

Holy macaroni ! Seriously, are you feeling okay ?
You're saying that your supreme GIHF needs mortals to protect him from harm ? Oops ! I thought it was supposed to be the other way around.

oh He Gall Hogee!

It is a shemless effort.These people don't know what they are doing. Baba ji is god and no one can fight with god.

ROBERT SEARLE wrote - I was shocked to hear the news about Gurinder. I am glad he is alright ofcourse. No matter what we may think of him he has the right to life like everyone else... As with any religion you are bound to get extremists. On the whole, Sikhs per se are fine, tolerant, and open-minded people with high principles. Extremists only make a near non-existent portion of the the Sikh Community itself. Yet, they have been now, and again a problem with the Radhasoami Faith in the past. Such extremists tend to regard Gurus in general as being fakes, or crooks who are just living off the money of others. But how much do we REALLY know about the 10 Sikh gurus of the past ? After all they were a line of HUMAN Gurus ?

Reply -
Robert, I think that Gurinder is a maha-crook. Not that he deserves to be the target of any kind of militancy for being a fake, but he may want to reconsider his entire ' agenda ' for the sake of his own safety and more importantly, for the safety of the Sangat. The full-throttle expansion of the RS faith on one hand and Gurinder's insatiable personal ambitions on the other, are IMO, becoming unmanageable ! Plus, if he drives in the fast lane, there will be risks.

I don't have the latest update on Beas-Amritsar relations, but like I said in an earlier comment, Beas ( during Charan's time ) was considered ' neutral zone ' amongst the other factions and so, even in the heightened militancy of the late 80's, there was just about an odd incident here or there. Militancy in Punjab has been extinct for over a decade, but inter-rivalry and extremism between various ' deras ' is at its peak now. I wonder what kind of policy change will Beas adopt after this incident, I guess it will depend on who they pin this down on... I'm sure that the RSSB secret-service is working overtime to find out who was behind this ( foiled ) attack. In the meantime, Gurinder's security will increase ten fold and bodyguards will be deployed for his sons as well.

That being said, we may not know too much about the 10 Sikh Guru's, but we do know a great deal about Gurinder, so if you choose to be a disciple, that must be an informed decision then... ;)

ROBERT SEARLE wrote - Moreover, it is of course absurd beyond belief that a book ( i.e. the so-called Guru Granth ) should be treated as a Living Master... But it was a clever ploy of Gobind Singh ( the last Sikh human Guru ) to ensure the " purity " of the Sikh Teachings... When I go to Satsang irrespective of whether the present Master is perfect, or otherwise there is a overwhelming sea of higher conciousness of love, and power. You do NOT get this is in " dead " churches, " dead " mosques, or indeed, "dead " gurdwaras...

Reply -
Well, that's about as absurd as believing that Gurinder is God, but needs human security ! The RSSB ' copy-paste ' style of spirituality siphons entire chapters from the Guru Granth and other ' holy ' books, so maybe they should come up with something entirely unique. What do you say ? And, why does Gurinder want to dress and look like a ' Sikh Guru ' when RSSB blatantly debunks dogma ? Also, picking a title like ' Baba Ji ' which is akin to Guru Nanak, could be a termed as clever little ploy ! Sorry, but I think that the churches, gurudwaras and mosques you refer to as ' dead ' are a shade better than the Satsang you attend. I've read most of your comments, it seems like you enjoy an ' overwhelming ' sense of euphoria. Boy ! You got to go visit the himalayas...

vishal sharma, gpdang, pema sonam, manoj lathwal, jatinder, and robert searle... you guys are all totally nuts.

one way or another, you have all lost your marbles... that is, if you ever had any in the first place.

you just don't get it.

cult gurus who put themselves up in that sort of exalted position, high up on a pedestal, ususally end up getting shot down... sooner or later.

it's the way of life. those who pretend holiness, fasle masters who ride in gilded carriages, invite robbers and thieves.

the only master is one who is a master of himself.

those who claim to be a master of others (or allow others to believe in them) are no masters at all. the only 'master' is one who has mastered himself alone.

pretentious elitist cult leaders who set themselves up as being holier-than-thou pseudo-gods, are the worst of the worst of humanity. they are crooks, rats and turds. and imo, in their next life they will be a worm in hell.

and so all of you who are so bereft of any self-esteem that you stoop to worship and believe in these crooks... well you are nothing but a bunch of suckers.

and you may likely end up in the same damned place as those whom liars and crooks whom you worship... if you don't wake up soon and become real human beings.


@Non-believers. The Lord himself instills that faith in us and draws us toward him. If he does not want you to believe then no matter what you will not believe. But remeber when your last hour comes and the angels of death come in front of your eyes, then you will know the opportunity you had.

Hey tAo, how are you ? I'm still waiting for your email... :)

@ Harpreet -
Joker, what does an ' angel of death ' look like ? Something like a golliwog with horns or something like George Clooney ? Please describe.

Cut the codswallop, get a life, you're really missing out.

I was shocked to learn from the indian newspapers that a conspiracy on the life of RSSB HEAD was hatched in vienna by some unscrupulous persons.
These persons did not know that RSSB HEAD is GOD in human form. HE is giving the message of unity to its true origin.
HE is GOD and nobody is able to harm HIM.such persons should accept his guidance absouletly to free themselves from the cycle of death and birth.

To Tara,et al,

I do believe that GS is probably a "maha-crook". But like you, and me he has a soul, and Higher Self, or Personal God. If any of his predecessors were Perfect then there is every chance in ones meditation that spiritual development would continue apace. As far as I am concerned GS is not a perfect personality but it is my belief rightly, or wrongly that he is linked to higher forces for the good.

I have explained all this before in connection with a) the Sawan Singh quote b)and the ideas of Faqir Chand. Try, and think DIFFERENTLY,AND OUT OF THE BOX. This point goes to the rest of the readers on this blog.
It is too easy to reach obvious conclusions..anyone can do it!!

However, genuine spiritual teachers do exist. One such person is Harjit Singh with whom I had an awakening already described here onsite. The subtle energies of higher conciousness experienced were very real, and far beyond anything you would experience in any church, temple, mosque, or gurdwara...or even on top of the Himalayas!!

Moreover, Harjit is accessible. You can phone him up, and also pick up the energies waves coming through. He does not live in a palace but in a modest home in Southall. As far as I know he is working, and spends most of his spare time in seclusion doing meditation. Like the Southall RS Satsang his house radiates higher energies of conciousnes beyond its perimeters.

There is no initiation. But if a seeker is genuine spontaneous initiation (ie. an awakening as already indicated) will probably occur.

See link if it is working alright

http://www.babafaqirchand.com

God himself never comes on this earth. He comes in the form of simple humanbeing to teach people and to guide them the right path. Baba Ji is the real God. We need the inner eyes to see their presence. No one in this great world can harm Baba Ji as people who planned this rubbish job does not know his almighty powers.He is a great Guru/master who shown the right Path. How can people may think of doing so.

that's unbelivebale , how can a man kind do that, baba ji was never against any one still people got problem. its a shame.


Tara..

May be the reason why Gurinder has people to protect him(though you claim that he does not need to because he is GIHF...but this is missing the point!) against terrorists especially in India is because the government there WANTS to ensure peace, and stability to continue...otherwise the murder of one, or more of the most prominient gurus would lead to wholescale rioting....

Here's another article on this subject dated July 31 (today). Headline: "Amarinder Singh condemns plan to attack Radha Soami sect head."

http://www.zeenews.com/news644860.html


To Rajesh Midha, et al,

"....Baba Charan Singh has conferred his status to "Baba Gurinder Singh"

This is incorrect when examined more deeply.

Charan Singh clearly indicated in his Will he received an order from his inner Master Baba Sawan Singh for Gurinder Singh to be the successor to RS Beas Satsang...even though Charan may well have had some doubts about him...

In reply to Robert Searle's comment at 2:25AM, July 31 -

Robert, we've been through this before !
You're stirring up your own martini subtly flavored with your own skewed and spiked view of Sant Mat, while I'm talking about Absolut.

And, no ! According to RS Sant Mat, the evils of greed and attachment are detrimental to spiritual development. The PLM ( Perfect Living Master ) is presented as being above and beyond these evils. So, crookedness and enlightenment cannot and do not go hand-in-hand. IMO, Gurinder's ' perfect ' predecessors ( that you talk about ) would be rather pissed-off and unhappy with what they see from above !

I'm not into adopting variants, I know and fully understand what the real Sant Mat teachings are. Thanks for suggesting Faqir Chand and Harjit Singh but at the moment, I'm taking an extended hiatus from all things spiritual and divine.

Rajesh Midha, it seems like you're seeing the light of day. Unfortunately, the RSSB Guru will never come forward and ' declare ' anything. He is the largest shareholder of Religare, it is his enterprise, so I doubt if he will ever give it up... Anyway, I know this is difficult to rationalize as a financial involvement of this kind and to this magnitude is at the opposite end of Sant Mat.

I suggest you to request Mr. Hines to remove your mobile number that you have posted above, you may receive weird messages from other followers who may not agree with your latest comments.

Robert, replying to your comment posted at 6.37AM...

Not I, but you seemed to have missed the point ! Why does a GIHF need gun-bearing guards to protect himself ? It is as simple as that.

Tara, even without hearing from Rajesh, I decided to remove his mobile number. I'd feel more comfortable if he left an email address where he could be contacted. Then he could decide whether to share his number with particular people.

Like you said, I'm not sure he thought through the pros and cons of leaving his number, and I want to be sure he doesn't have problems with the "cons." But if he reads our comments and really wants to do so, that's up to him.

good to know BABA JI is ok,i dont know people hates this santmat.We heard songs,attend live concerts and crazy about actors/actresses and why do we hate the good persons who give us a good path? If you dont agree with them just leave it,we like him very much.Please dont try this shamefull act again.

I don't know how the peoples think to harm such great personalities who are true saint of present world. Its really a matter of shame. But My Master knows everything and all happens by his well only. He knows everything years before what going to happen in future. The guards or police are his followers or sent by God.
Simply no one can think to stand before great MASTER without his well.
We should not waste our usefull time on such poor strategies done by poor brains.
Simply my master Baba gi who is everyones master is greatest.

Rajesh, I"ve done what you asked: remove your comments. I've even removed the comments where you asked me to remove your comments. Your messages haven't been deleted, just unpublished. So if you ever want them restored, let me know.

READ THE DAILY AJIT NEWS PAPER DATED 31JULY.AUSTRIAN POLICE RELEASED 3 PERSONS OUT OF 4 . POLICE HASN`T YET RECOVERED ANY dangerous MATERIAL FROM THESE SO CALLED ACCUSED.

Rajesh,
Please do not be surprised if you get no answer from RSSB, which will be most likely the case. People who previously contacted RSSB for clarification on this matter have got no reply. However, I know someone who was threatened by a high-ranking representative of the sect when he tried to inquire about these financial dealings and was told that the Guru gets ' extremely angry ' when anything regarding Religare comes up in this context. Gurinder's standard answer is ' they do not understand ' as if something like this is beyond human comprehension and we're all dumb toads.

Be strong and don't buy into the crap the representatives have been told to parrot. I heard that an RS jerk was explaining someone that Religare was created to ' help ' RSSB or some bullshit like that ! Don't believe the cult-goons when they flip rehearsed statements like ' who are we to question / who are we to judge ' and remember that you have every right to question and judge as a believer of true Sant Mat when you find that the Perfect Master is living a life which is at variance with the teachings.

All the important facts are available through SEBI and other autonomous agencies. There is no road-map to show how the Guru funded Religare or what his net-worth was before he started Religare. Make up your own mind.

I wish you luck, you can ask Brian for my email ID if you want to write to me.
Take care, tara.

Tara,

Not I, but you seemed to have missed the point ! Why does a GIHF need gun-bearing guards to protect himself ? It is as simple as that.

Yes, you have missed the point again. It is the government which probably wants Gurinder protected. They may well pay for it in part. I do not know the legal set up of this..

Ofcourse, a real GIHF would not need protecting strictly speaking! Yet, it would still be the concern of the government because they do not want any trouble if there was a successful assassination!!Comprenda!!


No, I do not think that GSs predessors would be "pissed off" with him as such. They would see it as the working out of the Will of God. For whatever reason (probably a desire on the Divine to start winding up RSSB) we appear to have an imperfect Satguru.

I did mention before the quote from Sawan Singh, and the Faqir Chand claims which you do not seem to mentally understand in connection with imperfect gurus. I do not see why I have to continually repeat myself.

Here's a link to the updated story that Gypsy mentioned in a comment above: "Austrian police release three after arrests at religious talk"

http://www.earthtimes.org/articles/news/337254,three-arrests-religious-talk.html

people who attacked my guru are bluddy fool, nonsense, idiot, bitch,kaminey, pig's children, cockroaches of drain, potty of me and i wanna flush them up.

Robert,
I'm not looking at this incident from a political perspective. You write and I quote " Of course, a real GIHF would not need protecting, strictly speaking ! " Well said and I'm strictly speaking so we're on the same page.

RS Sant Mat books clearly state that the Guru is the embodiment of the doctrine and is a ' living example ' for his disciples. I've read a ton of RSSB literature and there is no chapter or inferences regarding ' Imperfect Masters ' so kindly put forth the book's title and page number where Sawan and Faqir made the claims you speak of. I'm not considering isolated quotes or statements that are made out of context and no ' interpretations ' please.

If you haven't yet realised, I'm not into making Sant Mat cocktails, but it seems like you have many concoctions. No thanks, lets just live in disagreement... :)

I wanna say he is the god in human clothes. Those people are stupid who are not understanding him. We shouldn't harm them as they had come to earth for us only to take us in the feet of god.

i think you people TAO,TARA,Robert are paid off for such roumers..and try to distract the followers of RSSB..but i just want to clear one thing here that those who know RSSB sant mat and path of truth and honesty...will not be distrubed by you guys roumers and miss statments about the master... The master Gurinder sing or any other RSSB guru never claimed that they are the master but we followers knew the fact as we saw the fact inside..we have felt that truth inside..and moreover its a humble request to u guys that dont waist your time and energy for blaiming The MASTER.. the master is so kind that he'll forgive your sin and give u the wisdom..pls beware of missleading the RSSB followers...

@Rajesh i request you please dont beleave the culprit as they try to misslead you and others... I have checked with many followers and others and in the market too..
there is nothing like that.. this is the only new style to missguide we RSSB followers... but we should have faith in our guru... as there is not a single chance of mistake in him...

i am not able to understand why the people straching this like gum... Radha swami is the pure santmat nothing else.. please dont try to distract and missguide the followers of RSSB.. just because of RSSB MASTER like we people have changed our life in a great manner.. just because of the MASTER grace we are in safe hand.. so no worry wt people write here or outside.. we know our pitha our GOD our MASTER so we don't require to give anybody explanation.. but this for the people like TARA..TAO.. u people r doing ur work so keep going guys we RSSB followers know wt our MASTER is..so no worry.. we r so blessed and thankfull that we are in light of Gurinder Sing's...

We Love you Babaji!!
May you live very very long life in your physical body and keep blessing the humanity with your godly love and grace...
God give my whole families life years to my great master as he have to server this humanity and forgive us for our sins..

Harpreet, Navjot Kaur, Prem Jhamb, Rajesh Midha, Satinder, Tashdeep Nagpal, Manoj Lathwal, Gurdeep Singh Dhillon, and others of your kind... pay attention:

IMO...

You are ALL nothing more than a bunch of lame-brained apologists for RS and its blatantly fraudulent and corrupt leader/guru.

You offer nothing more than mindless babble and empty knee-jerk rhetoric.

You have no knowledge or understanding of the real facts.

You are blind suckers and cult sychophants, and your guru is a total sham who manipulates and exploits you.

You cannot prove anything, and you never will.

Your beliefs are based upon a lie.

There have been a great many other fools just like you, throughout the course of human history.

You are doomed to remain trapped in an illusion, a cult, and worshipping a false god.

I really feel sorry for people like you, people who are so foolish and lost.


Robert Searle,

i agree with Tara... i have no interest in your nonsense mental concoctions. i know exactly what rssb teaches, and so does Tara.

you are (quite obviously) yet another apologist for the radha soami cult and its current false guru.

and your 'woo-woo' regarding harjit is only more of the same kind of rubbish.

and your politicalnotions about the need for security are mere speculation. the point is that only ordinary mortal humans (not gods) have any need for bodily protection... and that is the point. people who believe that some stupid cult guru is a god with divine power, are quite clearly irrational and delusional, aka insane. so these indian devotees who comment here recently, are therefore insane. but that is a common condition amongst the superstitious and religious minded.

also, you would not have any need for either perfect, or imperfect gurus... if you would but go and derive directly from the source.


Jatinder wrote:-
Well, that's about as absurd as believing that Gurinder is God, but needs human security ! The RSSB ' copy-paste ' style of spirituality siphons entire chapters from the Guru Granth and other ' holy ' books, so maybe they should come up with something entirely unique. What do you say ? And, why does Gurinder want to dress and look like a ' Sikh Guru ' when RSSB blatantly debunks dogma ? Also, picking a title like ' Baba Ji ' which is akin to Guru Nanak, could be a termed as clever little ploy ! Sorry, but I think that the churches, gurudwaras and mosques you refer to as ' dead ' are a shade better than the Satsang you attend. I've read most of your comments, it seems like you enjoy an ' overwhelming ' sense of euphoria. Boy ! You got to go visit the himalayas...

Hello Jatinder:-

If you check the scrptures of any other religion they too converge somewhere or other u will find Dohas or banis of Kabir, Namdas,Tulsidas, sufi saints,Christ in the writing of any religious book(i don't think any religious guru had ever told that his or her writing's are personal properties of any sect).
Secondly Baba Gurinder Singh Ji's dress is same as other Gurus of his faith right from start and I don't think its emulated from any one.

Thats true our babaji is a living master in a human form, these people who dont understand santmat its useless to make them understand its beyond there reach .we are so lucky to be a part of this path.we love you babaji.

manoj lathwal -
I'm usually polite, but I think you'll understand this better - Its more than obvious that the dimensions of your brain are 1mm X 1mm so whatever rubbish that comes out of that miniscule box is nothing more than rat poop.

Vikas Rana - That was what I said and was not some ' Jatinder's ' comment as you have misquoted. My reply was to Robert, if you'd care to read his comment.

Anyhow, since you clearly cannot comprehend what I have to say, l'm going to give it another shot, in my first and last reply to you -

The ' convergence ' you talk of is your RSSB-injected perspective which is an institutionalized pot-pouri of many gospels topped off with a ' Living Guru ' who goes by the title of ' Baba Ji ' for his following. World religions are different and preach different. It is your ' Baba Ji ' who filters all the scriptures, points to the ' One God ' out there, but then goes around giving his own ' darshan ' and telling people to visualize his ' roop ' when they meditate. If he's simply trying to lead you to the origin, then why is he so important ?

The RSSB Guru's are not from the lineage of the 10 Sikh Gurus and the 10th Sikh Guru ( Gobind Singh ) had clearly stated that there will be no ' Living Guru ' for the Sikhs after him. Like it or not, your ' Baba Ji ' does emulate the appearance and namesake of a ' Sikh Guru ' and there is no doubt about that !

I request to all the followers of rssb please leave d company of non believers please.its not our duty to convince them for santmat.Baba ji knows how HE will conveince them ,in this birth or in the next 'afterall they are all HIS sons.As respected Bani says" SO BHULAY JISE BHULAI SOI BUJHAY JISE BUJHAINDA|" so plz do finish this topic of controversy. Radha soami.

Dear Site Management Team
Thanks as my request to not to publish my earlier comments has been well accepted.
Dear earlier comments were emotional and may create otherwise impressions. So I further request that may earlier comments must not be published. But now I send my comments and comments being sent from today onwards may be published and these will convey the truth.Rajesh Midha

Brian,

I have a question....

Why didn't Jesus stop the attacks on him...he knew they were coming, also why didn't the Sikh Guru's stop the attacks on them?? After all they were all GIHF.

Thanks,
P

Dear Tara.

I feel pity for you, secondly I don't want to argue with you on this point coz what's my faith is mine and whats your's is ur's.
I know what my guru is and I don't think that we need any clarification from anyone.
Regarding scriptures I don't think you have ever read ur own forget about RSSB. Otherwise u would have never said such a thing.
Like I earlier said the teachings of any Guru are not personal property of any religion they belong to the whole humanity.
I agree that Guru Gobind Singh Ji had said that there would be no guru for the Sikhs after him but mind it RSSB is not for any particular religion or for sikhs its for whole humanity.

I think human itself is God within himself and search to find "Perfect Master"is still on and Ist is to find within yourself 2nd by
virtue of grace someone may search. Being a
strong follower of RSSB ,now its under ????
range .True satisfaction was perceived but
after finding links with Corporates ,now I
think nobody has left the perishable world
untouched. So we all must try the following to make our lives successful. I request all
to read my below mentioned lines ,if found
fit ,have to be followed:
(1) Love with all whether human beings or animals or other creations of world.
(2) Keep always patience and never react to
anyone who misbehaves you .Keep violence aside thoroughly
(3) Make "Love" the theme to survive as it
entails all we need for survival.
(4) In this "Kaliyuga" we must try our best
to have our physique fit by morning walks as
by physical fitness our day activities runs
as we desire.So follow the principle"Health
is Wealth"
(5) Accumulate wealth but with best possible
efforts that peacefulness is not harmed.
(6) Avoid illwillness from root so that love
interse all is best maintained.
(7) Today we see newspapers and through all
sources of Media that Riots and Tensions are
rising ,we must do our best effort to evade.
(8) Lack of Knowledge is most harmful ,so we
must best try to procur knowledge to needed so that all negatives are removed from our social lives.
(9) Best strategy to see the lives happy is to take pains wherever required and meditate
to procur amicable solutions of all discords.
(10) We see that in relationships ,money has
become supreme element for which all relations are kept aside.We must ensure that
sacrifices to take place so that relations
are amicably maintained followinmg the spirit that each one will go back with empty hands .
(11) If we have found that to whom we have
surrendered all is not favouring the desired ethics,we must fololow the above stated 10 principles to live amicably.There
must be no despair as each time whenevr we
are most disappointed ,we reenergise our
confidence level and start the race further
but now with own efforts following the above staed 10. Rajesh Midha

pm,
Oh ! Yes !
:)


I have accepted This path as my way home I have found the characteristics of Baba Ji to be one which I'm satisfied with. Nothing anyone says can change that. But we should refrain from arguments about religion...wether Baba Ji is real or not. I can say this that I and my family have had many many experiences that have proven to be real in the sense of the master in our daily life and seeing him within and beyond. It's sad that we fight over realness. Just practice what makes you happy and let other practice what makes them happy.

SAINTS ARE PROTECTED BY THE HIGHER AUTHORITY NO BODY IN THIS WORLD CAN HARM THEM,UNTILL UNLESS THEY THEM SELF WANT TO GO BACK TO ANAMI DESH,THEY ARE VERY WELL PROTECTED,SO DONT LET US MAKE A HO HA ABOUT THIS WHOLE THING.

I don't know from where they get all this nonsense from ? I was there on both 2 days of satsang and Baba ji's visit in Vienna . It wasn't such a big deal as they claimed it to be in the news. We were all sitting inside the hall waiting for Baba Ji and then some Austrian police men walk in and escort an Indian Sikh outdoor and there they confronted him and he revealed there were others inside too . There were no explosives or such . I think he just wanted to protest and create problems .

Anyways everybody had a good time and were very fortunate to see Baba Ji and attend the Q & A's later .

Sunil

Vikas Rana,
Okay, I'd earlier said I wouldn't reply to your comments, but your latest was really up for a change of mind. Though, lets try and end it after this -

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Vikas Rana says -
Dear Tara, I feel pity for you, secondly I don't want to argue with you on this point coz what's my faith is mine and what is your's is your's.

Reply -
Dear Vikas, why do you pity me ? Just because I don't worship a fantasy you're caught up in ? It is the pseudo superior complex which stems from your RS mental conditioning that compels you to look down upon people who don't conform to your beliefs. How narrow minded is that ?

Vikas Rana says -
I know what my guru is and I don't think that we need any clarification from anyone.

Reply -
Then why are you blogging here ? I'm sure you're looking for clarifications and reassurance, otherwise you'd be meditating. And, speak for yourself. Who are the ' we ' you're referring to ? You cannot say ' I ' Vikas ?

Vikas Rana says -
Regarding scriptures, I don't think you have ever read your own forget about RSSB. Otherwise you would have never said such a thing.

Reply -
How can you claim to know anything about me ? Have you completely lost it ? I've worked with RSSB's publication and film department, have you ? I have a prominent Sikh historian in my family, do you ? I've had discussions with Gurinder on Sikhism and other religions, have you ? I'm studying Vedic scriptures through private tuition, are you ?

Vikas Rana says -
Like I earlier said the teachings of any Guru are not personal property of any religion, they belong to the whole humanity.

Reply -
Wrong. That is subject to interpretation. The underlying themes can be perceived as common, and that is exactly what RSSB is marketing. And, when a ' spiritual ' mission like RSSB goes on an expansion rampage, it turns itself into a quasi-religious cult, that may eventually lead to the creation of another organized religion. That is why Charan Singh ( Huzur Maharaj Ji ) was against any kind of full-scale ' growth ' for the sect.

Vikas Rana says -
I agree that Guru Gobind Singh Ji had said that there would be no guru for the Sikhs after him but mind it RSSB is not for any particular religion or for sikhs its for whole humanity.

Reply -
I have nothing to mind little lad and I know that RSSB is for people like you - who are so under the water that the rays of the radiant sun may be perennially invisible.

Rajesh,
I like the essence of your comment, specially " Make ' LOVE ' the theme to survive as it entails all we need for survival... " It is commendable that you can create your own ' how-to ' list and charter your own course... :)


babaji,know each and every thing
woh ek-2 chij di khabara rakhda hai,babaji nu sab pata hai.he is a god.

i really feel sad to hear this kind of news.

@ Tara, you dont know what you are saying or what you mean. Ignorence is prevailing your mind. try to differenciate between good n evil. if you do not keep good opinion abpout anyone then you dont have to even keep nagitive views at least when it comes to someones emotions and faith.

yasmin rahul bakshi -
It seems like my opinions make you uneasy, but you always have the option of closing your browser window and getting back to meditation. Also, if you're not aware, RSSB forbids Sant Mat discussion on the Internet, so you're breaking the rules - and, that's worse than getting into the wrong line at Satsang so you may just want to stop posting here ( and reading my comments ) if your ' faith ' and ' emotions ' get disturbed...

You write -
" Tara, you don't know what you are saying or what you mean. "
Reply -
Thanks Yasmin + Rahul, but I say what I mean and I mean what I say.
But maybe, I could also be a test of your faith... ( ?? )

You write -
" Ignorance is prevailing your mind. "
Reply -
Yes.True. I'm as ignorant about God as you are.
The only difference is you don't recognize it.

You write -
" Try to differenciate between good and evil. "
Reply -
Why do you think you know it all ? Like you're some kind of authority on ' good ' and ' evil ' or the moral police ? Besides, its all about perspective...

You write -
" If you do not keep good opinion about anyone then you dont have to even keep negative views at least when it comes to someones emotions and faith. "
Reply -
Are you in a cage and want everyone else for comfort and company ?
Sorry, I do not intend to upset you with my opinions, but I'm allowed to have them, whatever they are, just like you have yours. Its called ' free will ' and that is really not ' evil ' at all !

Tara, I dont ever recall any message from Dera about discussing RSSB on the internet. You are wrong about that. What Dera wants stopped are the non official videos on you tube and non official web sites about RSSB which i agree with.

But lets be honest here we shouldn't be arguing on who's write and who's wrong. God is not just for RSSB initiates he is for the creation. We are all on our own paths to help us gain that salvation that we all look for. After all Baba Ji has said it himself that it would be ignorant for him to say that this is the only path...it is one of the paths. So for people like me I have accepted the path and Baba Ji as my master to help me gain that salvation that I'm looking for. For others it maybe different path and different master. Live and let live...2 things which should never be argued are 1)Politics and 2)Religion....

pm, hey, life would be a lot more boring if we couldn't argue about politics and religion.

Also, here's the directive from RSSB regarding Internet discussions (got this from the Yahoo Radha Soami studies group). Looks like you've been going against the Guru's Will. Bad karma!

SCNI refers to the South Central USA RSSB newsletter, I'm pretty sure.

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[MAY 1996]

Use of Electronic Media for Sant Mat Communications

As a follow-up to the statement in the March issue of SCNI regarding the use of E-Mail and the Internet for Sant Mat communications, we have recently received the following letter.

"With access to electronic media such as the Internet and the Web Site now being available to many in this age of communication, it is found that they are being used increasingly for the exchange of information between satsangis and other groups concerning Radha Soami Satsang Beas and the spiritual teachings of Sant Mat. This information may be factually correct; however, there may be inaccuracies in either of fact or interpretation. Sometimes we are portrayed positively, sometimes negatively.

Naturally, satsangis can get perturbed at seeing us presented in an
inaccurate manner or interpreted in an incorrect way. It is emphasized, however, that our path is one of pure spirituality, and concerns an individual personally. It is a path where we try to avoid controversies. We do not want to react to others, criticize others, nor to create any kind of disharmony or unpleasantness with anyone by pursuing the matter unnecessarily.

Therefore, it would be better to ignore whatever may appear on the
electronic media concerning ourselves. We need not bother or worry ourselves about how other portray us or see us, even if they view us in an unfavourable light.

Satsangis are advised not to use E-mail, or other media such as Internet to conduct satsangs, formal or informal, or to communicate or distribute Sant Mat teachings, Sant Mat literature, Sant Mat related photographs, satsangi names, addresses and initiation data, or other similar material of
confidential nature.

In addition, Web-Sites & Home Pages should not be used for any purpose at all connected with Sant Mat."

"After all Baba Ji has said it himself that it would be ignorant for him to say that this is the only path...it is one of the paths."

--IMO, it would be strange for the Baba Ji to say that this (RSSB) is not the only path. Redirecting someone to another path wouldn't be a smart thing to do. Are there several forms of Salvation, or only one?
Why all these paths to only one Salvation?

"So for people like me I have accepted the path and Baba Ji as my master to help me gain that salvation that I'm looking for."

--Nothing wrong with this person searching for his/her conceptualized Salvation, that he/her is looking for. Likewise, I can see the need to find a "salvation-finder" type person to help in this finding. If this found salvation isn't what I'm looking for, then I would simply find a new Salvation-finder and go down a different path.
I prefer a "high" quality Salvation. Therefore, I need to find the very best Salvation-finding guru. Please, nothing cheap for me. I now go forth, with my chin held high....

Hi Brian,

But its something that I myself may be at fault for not something I would consider Karma...but it is true how accurate can it be if we assume something and put it on the web and its been twisted and added onto. The Guru's will goes far beyond posting on the internet.

Also I think we should refrain from arguments and have more of a discussion. Your view is different from mine and should be able to discuss and not kill each other. This is what has caused all the grief in the world people thinking that they are better than others and which leads to our emotions getting out of control and leads to words which are said which may pierce ones hearts. Bashing one is not rite wether the person is worshiping a rock or god in human form. We all have our own levels of understanding what is rite and whats wrong for us is something that comes from our hearts.

Thanks
Pm

pm, I agree with you. Yes, our understanding of what is right and wrong comes from our hearts. Absolutely.

If we all admit to this, and don't claim that our own personal feeling about right or wrong comes from God, or some other absolute source, then we can get along much more smoothly.

Like I said in another comment, my wife feels there is one way to maintain a sink. I have another feeling. We can discuss the pros and cons of wiping a sink down after each use, with neither of us believing that one way is the absolute right way.

But what if one of was considered to be "perfect," with a special knowledge of what is right and wrong? This would mess up our discussing, and our relationship. My wife would simply say, "I know what's right, and this is how we're doing to do things in this house."

(Actually, this isn't too far from how things actually are -- which is the case in a lot of marriages, where the wife rules the nest and the husband rules... something ... if I could just think of it... oh, the remote control!)

baba ji know each and every think ,what is going on in this world.thos people who trying to do this, never get a head.................................radha sowami to all who love baba ji =)

pm,
People align themselves with the philosophies and groups that they are in the best resonance with. As we go along in life, we continually accept and reject choices that we have personally investigated. Most of us act out of our ' belief system ' and when that percept is based on blind faith, some of us are naturally urged onward ( towards a different approach ) when we begin to notice a big divide between what we've been conditioned to believe and how we truly feel.

In that dilemma, I made an informed choice when I faced up to the question - How is the spiritual path I follow helping me become a better person ? In my opinion, whatever we do, we think, we believe - has a direct impact on our lives as we continue to change and grow. And, like everything in our life, teachings of a ' Guru ' or a sect must also prove their effectiveness over time.

Having said that, the indispensable requirement of a practitioner of spirituality or a ' Guru ' is that he lives by the same values and ethics as preached by him. Sorry, but Gurinder's ' weird ' corporate behavior is another reason for me sitting firmly in the anti-RS camp. ( Why does he talk about detachment ? )

I've put your comments in quotes, then answered them -

" God is not just for RSSB initiates, he is for the creation... "
----- Really ? Then why does the RS philosophy hover around the lucky 1/10th of the creation only ?

" After all Baba Ji has said it himself that it would be ignorant for him to say that this is the only path. It is one of the paths. "
----- Gurinder is the first of the Beas Guru's to have said that ! But, why would he make a ' liberal ' statement like that and then follow it up with forbidding rennet-present cheese ? He clearly wants his followers confused, or else he would correct the ' only path ' rhetoric in the RS literature and at Satsang. But that in turn would sever the ' special feeling ' the initiates are bred with...
So there you have it, there is a ton of contradiction, like it or not.

I don't intend to ' bash ' your beliefs, I'm only presenting a challenge.

--> Brian's comment policy reads :
" Write as if you were in a congenial coffeehouse discussion group, not a high school locker room after your team lost the game in the final seconds. Mild swear words are fine. But goddamn it, don't go over the top... "

Tara, thanks for adding the reminder about this blog's comment policy. I don't like to not publish comments that have been submitted, especially if someone has ranted long and hard on one.

But people need to be at least minimally thoughtful, respectful of others, and make some sense. Here's an example that came in today of a comment that won't be published. It ends with:
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........ny satsangi cn answer ur bullshit perfectly well but mare hue ko kya maarna? r u like so dumb seriously cant u see u v been at mistake all d tym u nvr did sewa wid hrt ....u nvr did meditate ...u jst were foolin urself!try again i suggest ..this tym wid remorse for ur sins n luv in ur heart ....t ll work..5th sept is satsang at dera ....take ma wrds! gd bls ya radsha soami PS:seriously i tried ma bst to b gud wid u....still if i hve crossed d limits f hw one sud b tokin to an elder m so sorry!but tum kaam he aise kr rhe ho!lolz
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Dude, I don't expect everybody to write perfect English, but I really can't understand a lot of what you're saying. (Maybe I don't text message enough.)

And no offense, but your comment started off as shown below. Hey, I was 18 once and thought I knew a lot. Which, I didn't. You might want to consider listening to people who are older and wiser than yourself with a little more thoughtfulness before dashing off a stream of consciousness response.

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how dare u?who do u think u are?if u urself r absurd.....ok perfectly fine......but u v gt no rite hurt sentiments of millions........?????????matlab yaar!pagal ho kya tum!!!!!i am 18 !turned 18 this march n i cn understand hw dumb you actually are.....
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Geez Brian ! I can almost guess who that was directed at... ;)
Those ' hindi ' interjections by this SMS king / queen were like OTT !



I have noticed a number of posts (presumably of Asian origin) in which the English is poor.Some of it if I am not mistaken may even verge onto the threatening about criticising Gurinder. Such sources may be from so-called Satsangis.

However, Sant Mat clearly states that even those who criticise the Guru will not be sent to hell but rather forgiven!!! Indeed, Charan Singh said that "Critics are our best friends!!!" This sentiment though may not necessarily be shared by Gurinder...but ofcourse if he is a "True Master" he would not seriously criticise anyone in the public arean. Toerance, and forgiveness of others is all part of the Sant Mat teaching which some people may forget about onsite.


A MESSAGE TO BRIAN HINES.

As you have already been published in the proper sense of the word it might be a good idea to turn "investigative journalist" and write an expose on the RSSB. Such a book could be entitled Cult Exposed, or something like that....You would probably make more money out of that than your other works!!!
May be you could co-author it with David Christopher Lane?? Who knows!

I suspect the above idea has passed through your mind...

Robert,

"However, Sant Mat clearly states that even those who criticise the Guru will not be sent to hell but rather forgiven!!!"

--What would someone have to do to be sent to hell? Specify a Guru sending to hell act. In addition, describe Hell, according to RSSB literature. Thanks Roger

Stupid if someone says that we can't understand God. Perhaps I can't but assuming God follows logic someone will one day or together we will. If God can not be understand it must be because he acts irrational.
So if Gurinder says we don't understand relicare than he must take the time to explain.

no one can harm babaji,those people who tried to harm baba ji. They might be in big mistake as there are lots of fake babas in india,so they think babaji is one of them, but they donot know the reality, now its in front them.,,,,,,just use your brain how babaji knows that someone there in parking with their foolish ideas,,,,come on he is the one who creates us.

who can harm d one whoz tkin care f all d universe n beyond!
strange ppl.....but nt their fault ...they dun knw d truth!

Nietzsche,

Like I said before, there are many people who knew Gurinder in his pre-Guru days and they can testify that he was not a millionaire. So who funded Religare ( the Singh brothers ? or partly RSSB ? ) ... who knows ! And how did the Guru manage to get around to being the largest shareholder of the company ? Yes, many things to explain, though we all know that Gurinder is not going to come forth and disclose anything. Such is the ' mauj ' of the Perfect Living Master.

You know what - I think its better to have an in-your-face-extravagant lifestyle and be transparent about your financial trajectory, than, projecting an ascetic way of life and discreetly acquiring billions.

raj - Are you even aware that it was the Vienna police who had a tip off about a possible assault ? I find it humorous how cult-jerks like you seem to connect every little incident to the divinity of your leader !


Both avarice and sin are the King and Minister and falsehood is the Master of Minit. Lust, the assistant official, is summoned and consulted and they all sit together and chalk out evil plans.
The subjects are blind and, without wisdom, they satisfy the Official's fire or greed with bribe carrion. The divines dance, play musical instruments and disguise and decorate themselves. They shout aloud and sing of epic poems and heroes tales. The fools call themselves scholars and with devices and cavils, they love to amass wealth. The virtuous disfigure their meditotious acts by asking for the door of salvation. They call themselves continent leave their home and hearth and know not the way of life. imperfect and done call himself imperfect. Everyone deems himself perfect and none call himself imperfect. If the weight of honour be put into the hind scale, then alone, O Nanak, the man appears properly weighed.

No one can harm the perfect guru,, Baba ji is a unique power in a human body, He knew everything going on in this world and beyond this world.

translation:

raj = a brain-less babbling bonehead.

surbhi = an illiterate babbling lunatic.

ganpat rai = a power-less know-nothing goon

babaji = a soul-sucking vampire wolf in sheep's clothing.

you brainless, evil people, try to belive in live and let live!!!!!who has the power to decide what is wrong or what is right??? dats just god !!! ok!!! n for those who think that BABAJI is fake and oll that.,.,give me an answer of this question,.,., why babaji could nt been attacked by those 4 dickheads,.,.,.,.,n babaji didn run away like otha cowards, k.,.,he stayed thr and did satsang, eve afta d incident!!!!!! he knows everythng k and he doesnt need protection frm anyone,,.,.,
pl

A GOD who tells us a way to meet GOD and attack on such Guru it shows that the terrorism has lack of sense. They should also listen satsangs of BABA JI.

Guys, what is this fuss about???
What are you folks fighting over? The whole discourse needs a revisit and questioning over the need of this debate.

Someone is preaching something and there are people who agree with him and some who disagree. Why can't both these lots stay at home in their beliefs and opposition? An attempt to answer the existential questions is a personal enterprise and certainly not something which can be carried out over a blog like this.

I do not know about GSD and his teachings, but what infuriates me is since time immemorial man has been trying to influence another man's beliefs - spiritual or religious. We've screwed up big time with the idea of God and various religions. Let's keep our beliefs very very personal since the relationship between man and God is extremely personal.

Nietzsche (Friedrich, not the blogger here) by the way went insane trying to oppose Christian values of empathy and kindness. Ironically, his last sane emotion was that of empathy when he saw a horse collapse under the weight of a cart in Vienna and held horse's head and wept.

Point is, life has this uncanny habit of surprising us with what it is about. Reason is very good, but an attitude of openness and tolerance towards anything other than what we are used to can take us a long way.

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