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June 18, 2010

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I would think that Lao Tzu and Rumi, if allowed to sit down and chat, could find a way to agree and disagree about what dualistic "Life" is all about. That is dualistic knowns and unknowns. Likewise, they could sit down and agree about non-dualistic life, and not chat so much. A sort of non-knowable non-conceptual kind of chat.

Orthodox, institutional religions are quite different, but their mystics have much in common. A quote from the chapter "Mystic Viewpoints" in my e-book at http://www.suprarational.org on comparative mysticism:

Ritual and Symbols. The inner meanings of the scriptures, the spiritual teachings of the prophets and those personal searchings which can lead to divine union were often given lesser importance than outward rituals, symbolism and ceremony in many institutional religions. Observances, reading scriptures, prescribed acts, and following orthodox beliefs cannot replace your personal dedication, contemplation, activities, and direct experience. Preaching is too seldom teaching. For true mystics, every day is a holy day. Divine revelation is here and now, not limited to their sacred scriptures.

Conflicts in Conventional Religion. "What’s in a Word?" outlined some primary differences between religions and within each faith. The many divisions in large religions disagreed, sometimes bitterly. The succession of authority, interpretations of scriptures, doctrines, organization, terminology, and other disputes have often caused resentment. The customs, worship, practices, and behavior within the mainstream of religions frequently conflicted. Many leaders of any religion had only united when confronted by someone outside their faith, or by agnostics or atheists. Few mystics have believed divine oneness is exclusive to their religion or is restricted to any people.

Note: This is just a consensus to indicate some differences between the approaches of mystics and that of their institutional religion. These statements do not represent all schools of mysticism or every division of faith. Whether mystical experiences vary in their cultural context, or are similar for all true mystics, is less important than that they transform each one’s sense of being to a transpersonal outlook on all life.

Saw him on Book TV last week.He really couldn't hold my attention and nothing that he said engaged my interest.

More problem, solution ,problem ,solution

There's an early feminist writer who I remember saying.

"There are only a few basic human problems and they go on repeating themselves like they never happened before"

Ron,

You mentioned,

"Observances, reading scriptures, prescribed acts, and following orthodox beliefs cannot replace your personal dedication, contemplation, activities, and direct experience. Preaching is too seldom teaching. For true mystics, every day is a holy day. Divine revelation is here and now, not limited to their sacred scriptures."

--What would be a good example of a "direct" experience and a "divine" revelation? These are all good, however, could you specifically describe some examples of such?
Thanks Roger

Roger,

Sorry, I missed your reply. Those terms can't be summarized in a blog post. Read my e-book. It's only 100 pages and it's free.

Those who believe the kinship of faiths should join the social network of the Parliament of the World's Religions. Look at http://www.peacenext.org/profile/RonKrumpos and I would be happy to be one of your first friends there.

Stephen Prothero makes it quite clear that he is not dealing so much with the spiritual oneness of god but with the differences occuring within each persons environment and hence tradition.

Obviously anyone praying to god, regardless of their name for god or their religious background will be praying to god. The big difference occurs when a group of people from different races, environments and different socio economic backgrounds isolated from each other for thousands of years create their own perceptions and traditions of god. Each of them claim that only their religion will provide salvation.

It is not the belief in god which is different, only the rules (traditions)created by man are different.

Think Feel Create, no, you're wrong. The religions described in Prothero's book don't all believe in God. Buddhists don't believe in God. Taoists don't believe in God. Confucians don't believe in God. Many Jews don't believe in God. Hindus believe in many gods.

Neither Buddhists nor Taoists pray to God -- for the obvious reason that they don't believe in God. So I don't agree with you that anyone with a religious background "will be praying to god."

Without knowing much of the book or author, I agree. It doesn't take much to see that there are some religions that are completely incompatible in their basic tenets.

At some point i want to read this book.

Thanks for this. :)

Jonathan from Spritzophrenia

Blogger Brian. You have brought up the big question. What is GOD? He , she or it could be energy, spirit, cosmic consciousness, a big old man with white hair and beard, a feeling you get when you are at one with nature or simply an incling that their is something more to this relative world we live in. ( the Hindu's call it Maya, the grand illusion. To use your mind to connect with any of these feelings or perceptions is, for the purposes of this comment, GOD. God is just a word we use to describe any spiritual or super conscious connection. Again I stste that the word used is irrelevant. The traditions and perceptions are the things that create differences.

Did you hear that Brian?... "You have brought up the big question. What is GOD?"

Here's the answer...

"To use your mind to connect with any of these feelings or perceptions is, for the purposes of this comment, GOD. God is just a word we use to describe any spiritual or super conscious connection."

---So, my GOD, the girl holding the beer is a super conscious connection? This I would like very much. GOD is GREAT!!!!!!

god is one only, in all religions as referred in the below verses.

(7)Oneness of God & Prohibition of Idol Worship:- VEDA: Yajur Veda 32:3, 40:8-9; Rig Veda 1:164:46, 6:45:16; UPANISHAD: Khandogya: 6:2:1, Shwetashvatara 6:9, 4:20; GEETA: 7:20, 10:3; BRAHMA SUTRA; //BIBLE: Leviticus 26:1; Exodus 20:4; //QURAN: 2:163, 2:255, 4:171, 7:191, 16:20, 25:3, 112:1-4.

refer the link below for the complete text of these verses and for other such points.

http://comparative-religion-points.blogspot.com

sajjad ali, you are mistaken. your references are incorrect.

i am extremely well acquainted with the entire Bhagavad Gita.

The Bhagavad Gita, chapter/verse 7.20 and 10.3, does not refer to or say that "god is one only".

The following is what Bhagavad Gita 7.20 and 10.3 says:

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Bhagavad Gita chapter 7, verse 20

Bhagavan Sri Krishna uvaca:

"kamais tais tair hrta-jnanah
prapadyante ’nya-devatah
tam tam niyamam asthaya
prakritya niyatah svaya"

"Those whose intelligence has been stolen by material desires surrender unto demigods and follow the particular rules and regulations of worship according to their own natures."

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Bhagavad Gita chapter 10, verse 3

Bhagavan Sri Krishna uvaca:

"yo mam ajam anadim ca
vetti loka-maheshvaram
asammudhah sa martyesu
sarva-papaih pramucyate"

"He who knows Me as the unborn, as the beginningless, as the Supreme Lord of all the worlds — he only, undeluded among men, is freed from all sins."

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Read, listen to, and see the entire Bhagavad Gita at:
http://www.bhagavad-gita.us/

Bhagavad Gita - Introduction:
http://www.bhagavad-gita.us/articles/660/1/Introduction-to-Bhagavad-Gita/Page1.html

Bhagavad Gita - Summary:
http://www.bhagavad-gita.us/articles/684/1/Summary-of-the-Bhagavad-Gita/Page1.html

Bhagavad Gita in Picures:
http://www.bhagavad-gita.us/articles/687/1/The-Bhagavad-Gita-in-Pictures/Page1.html

Bhagavad Gita in Audio:
http://www.bhagavad-gita.us/articles/664/1/The-Bhagavad-Gita-In-Audio/Page1.html


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